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Greetings and salutations, friends, and welcome back for those of you unaware. For quite some time now, we have been chipping away at the false reality that David Wilcock portrays, both his claims of speaking to angels who tell him to take dance in his own urine to get superpowers and his technology claims so rounding the shady aerospace company that he is the director of Advanced Technology of Stevadi Aerospace. We've showed you to court records and proven that Stevadi has been in business over thirty years and has yet to produce a single airplane product or service. Yet they're always seeking investment dollars, which is strange.
We've proven that Stevadi's only income was from a dumpster company storing dumpsters at their Niagara, New York facility, as well as a sewage company which was dumping quote phil on their property in Niagara, New York. We have continued to chip away at the false reality that David Wilcock portrays to his dumb as rocks followers and morons that think that he is a prophet or a psychic. Somehow, David Wilcock lives in a fake, false reality of his own creation, and we have been chipping away at that false reality, and tonight we're gonna do something great. David Wilcock claimed more than three years ago that they would have a working hovercr prototype within a year and has shown nothing that works.
And in fact, we have several sources here which kind of prove that David Wilcock has no working any gravity technology. It has no working free energy technology. David Wilcock just keeps changing the plans. You know, Oh, we're going to build electric cars, We're going to build interstellar spaceships.
Now it's completely and totally ridiculous. David Wilcock claims that they're going to build hover cars with free energy engines. You won't even need to put fuel in it or power it, It'll just power itself. So I have been speaking to several people, chief among them Tonight's guests, who have some interesting stories to ship about Stevady Aerospace and their technological claims.
Tonight's guest has an extensive background in technology, engineering and science, and so I thought it would be awesome to get a real engineer, somebody who's been steeped and worked in technology for many, many years, to examine David Wilcock and Stevadi's claims. And this person has a lot to share tonight friends, So let's welcome them in here. Ryan Hopkins is here to blow the whistle, a real whistleblower. Welcome Ryan Hopkins.
Thank you, Steve, thanks for having me. Yeah, he just so our audience can understand why I'm so confident with you and your Yes, it's quite common, so I apologize for that, just so the audience understands why I'm so confident in your assessment of Stevadi. Can you give our audience a little bit of your background and work history and things you've been working on before we get to the Stevadi stuff. Sure?
Sure. So I'm a mechanical design engineer, draftsman and machinists. If you have another tab open with like the show playing on YouTube, I've. Been working in the industry for twenty years.
Okay, sorry, Steve, what was that? Can you help me solve this delay issue? Yeah? If you're if you have another tab open with like the show playing on YouTube, you want to close that down.
You only want to have the one tab open, the one that you're in that you joined the show with. So if you have multiple tabs open on your browser, that may be the issue. Okay, yeah, it's funny. We were fine before the show started, so I don't know what's happening.
Now there we go. Okay, good, okay, sorry about that. I'll start. So, I'm a mechanical design engineer, draftsman, and machinist.
I've worked in the manufacturing industry for twenty years, most recently just last year, I had a twelve month work assignment at Berkeley Lab where I actually worked on some components for a particle accelerator, which was very exciting. That's impressive. So you have quite the background and work history in yes, manufacturing, engineering, and high text. Yes, you're a perfect person to kind of guide us through these Stevadi claims.
So when did you first become involved at all with them or some of their promoters and people working with them. How did you meet them and what was your first impression of Stevadi? Well, I think I had come across some things about Stevadi before, but I wasn't directly aware of them until about January of this year. Okay, I had been researching the work of a scientist by the name of Ken Shoulders, and there was a group I was invited to that was discussing his work, and in that group there was a particular person who claimed to have some connection to this aerospace company.
Over the course of several of these meetings, he essentially he pitched the idea to me of building a research laboratory in order to move forward the research work that ken Shoulders did and another group called the Proton twenty one lab in Soviet araa Ukraine, which ended up in a book that's called Controlled Nucleosynthesis. So I had been interested in ken Shoulders work because it relates to a phenomenon called electron charge clusters, which is. Something that David Wilcock has mentioned on his live streams. But he's talking about the work of Salvador Pious, which right, you know, So I'd also love to get your opinion on that.
Like David Wilcock is claiming like, oh, we're just going to take this patent that we don't own and then we're going to build hovercars with this other person's patent. Like he can't do that. And there's also no proof that these Salvador patent salvad Or Pious patents actually work, right, Like they're just claims on a piece of paper that you know. I mean, granted, he got a patent for some of this stuff, but I've seen a bunch of interviews of that guy, and he won't show anything that works, Like wouldn't if he has a patent and any gravity technology and it really works, wouldn't he show the world like at least a working desk model or something as proof of concept, and then he would be like the most famous scientist in the world.
So I don't buy the salvad or pious patents, and I especially don't buy that Wilcock has the ability to just copy somebody else's patent and make up a commercial product for sale with it, right or am I wrong? I mean, I don't understand that part of it. I think you're right. If he's let's let's say that on the surface that what David Wilcock has said about that is actually true, that would that would necessitate that he would have had a conversation with Salvator Payise.
And so the question there would be to ask mister payis if he had ever been approached by David Wilcock, which I personally highly doubt. Yeah. Yeah, So they didn't even ask him, like if they could license the patent or legally use his patent technology to create their commercial product that they're going to sell. It's kind of ridiculous, you know.
I Mean, that's besides the fact that you know, he he obtained those patents under the auspices of the Navy. So if. If if David halfcocked, I mean, Willcox actually actually is serious about that, he's going to probably have to contend with not just they're just mister Pais, but also the Navy for that, and that's the Navy would actually have worms of its own. But you know what, what we're starting with is something that that is fictional and has been since Chris Bescar started his little enterprise how long.
Ago, thirty years Yeah, about thirty years ago. I couldn't even make any new renderings those ship boxes. Yeah, I don't know, man, Like I have a background in computer science and I look at those renderings and they look like they were made with like and that's Windows ninety eight technology or something. Yeah.
So, so from the perspective of a design engineer who has shipped product for twenty years for a wide variety of companies, up to and including components for a particle accelerator, it offends me personally that these people are out here just grifting the hell out of what what I would consider to be largely a well meaning but unfortunately uninformed crowd that sort of glom onto his personality and it just becomes a cult of personality. So, you know, One of the things that we talked about briefly before that I'd like to say is that I am one hundred and ten percent willing to debate either or both of those guys at the same time, because I'll rip them the shreds. Yeah. Well, you have a real background in science and engineering.
What do you think of you know, I know you're not an aircraft engineer, but still, what do you think of some of David Wilcox's claims about this super fast jet it's going to do mock for it's going to fly in space. You know, they haven't built a single airplane and Wilcox claiming that they're going to build the fastest jet fighter ever in the history of the world. It can also fly in space as any gravity technology. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that once they're done fueling their retrofitted MiGs with pirallyzed trash.
Yeah, explain that one's good. Explain that one to us, because they made some claims about upgrading Make fighters, which there are no Make fighters to be bought. We've proven that with John Right. So there's there's there's that whole claim, and then there's this this other thing where you know, they've been renting out the hangar to some some trash company.
Yep. So there is a real process called pyrolysis where you can turn plastic mixed plastics back into a crude oil feedstock and then refine it and you can get you know, all the same stuff out of it that you get out of crude petrol. There's a guy on Facebook doing that. He's got a machine, Yes, Julian, I think.
Yeah, yeah, great. I love that guy. I love because he's trying to do something great, like imagine if we could take It's a great idea. There's so much waste plastics, why can't we take that and turn it back into fuel.
He's doing it. He's so driving diesel vehicles. He's doing demos where he puts the play stick in his machine and then he turns it into some kind of form of diesel and he's running diesel trucks with it. Yeah, it's great.
He's he's show process right there, and that's extremely inspiring to see. But also he's showing how there's a gap both in the recycling industry and in the fuels industry, because there can be a loop there that doesn't currently exist and he's got that loop. So and it's not like he invented that, but he's he autodidacted it. You know, he's built several of them and out the process himself.
Which and he's solar powering and he's solar powering the machine that makes the fuel. So it's not like it's not like he's using more power, more electric to create the fuel than the fuel is worth. He's doing it with solar power. Love.
I follow that guy on Facebook, and I'm like that that guy should be a billion he should get you know, he should have a company that makes the fuel on a large scale. There's no reason why we should have all this plastic waste. It's a resource. I agree, And and I think that's that's what exactly what he's showing, you know, and I hope he succeeds too, because he's doing real stuff.
Yeah, but back to Wilcox's claims about the garbage. Yeah, so so so it's a joke that is basically, you know, what are they what are they doing with all that trash their store in there? I wonder if they're piralyzing it for their megs? Okay, yeah, to make fuel for their the retrofitted megs.
Right, So why don't we get into how they one of their one of the people working with them, tried to recruit you to start this research lab and your reaction once you realize that David Wilcock was directly involved in this effort, and you know, like the reaction of the person that you were speaking with. And and that's Ed Kublinsky or is that his name, Ed Kerki? Ed Kuberski, who is a big sort of a cheerleader for Stevaddi on his YouTube channel. He believes that they're really going to do the things they say, so he must be a little dumb.
I don't know what was your impression of him, and how'd you meet him? And how did that recruitment because they've basically tried to recruit you to what to build any gravity technology and free energy technology or what are they looking for you to do? So so initially I was I was invited by somebody else two meeting of the sub Quantum Kinetics group, which also has a YouTube channel, and for the past few months they've been going through the work of the scientists I mentioned before. Ken Schulder.
Yeah, so since I had sort of regained a strong interest in that. Recently, I was invited to meet this group and talk with them, and so I did, and over the course of several of these meetings, eventually Ed approached me and asked me if I would be seriously interested in building a research laboratory dedicated to or at least to include principally building accelerator apparatus to further the work of Ken Shoulders on electron charge clusters, and so all was fine and well until we had a we had I think two meetings where he was just asking me questions left right and center about manufacturing machines. And of course, you know that's that's like, in a way, that's my bread and butter, so I enjoy talking about it, but I at the end I just felt like he kind of milked me for all that information on on manufacturing machines and methods.
And then I found out that his plan was to apparently to approach David Wilcock for funding to do that, and I was like I I I tried to be civil about it. I sent him, sent him a message. We we had a video call, and what it basically came down to was that I asked him point blank, you know, do you do you really believe a single thing that comes out of that motherfucker's mouth? And his response, his immediate response was well, if you don't believe David Wilcock, then you're not going to be a part of this project.
Yeah, okay, buddy. Wow. I definitely screamed some epithets and some not so nice things about them to him at that point, and I met all of them. Wow.
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And Charles McDonald says, great to hear from an insider. Yeah, So what was your impression of this this ed guy and his plans to I don't know, start this research labby Did you just think he was a total whack of do once you realize that. Initially it was good? He was, he was friendly.
We had some similar interests that we also talked about some audio related things, and he seemed to have some some uh knowledge, some electronics and engineering knowledge. But once I once I realized that, you know, his his plan was to go to this this pair of Charlotte. Oh there's there's another thing too. So Ed Kubersky has been going around saying that the way that uh the name best Scar as in Bestcar armor from from.
Yeah, we've we've covered Yeah, we've covered that. He have Yeah, Bestcar claims that they name the Mandalorian's armor best gar Armor after him. Because he was like bullshit proven by Christopher Spadoveccia, because he got in touch with him, the author that wrote that. Yeah, that that that fiction and came up with that name and and so you know, in his case, I would actually be really curious to find out what his real last name is or if it's just a coincidence and that happens to be a last name in some language.
Yeah, and it's kind of ridiculous. For this is what gets me about Wilcock, Like he makes claims like, oh, Christopher Bescar designed spaceships for the Star Wars prequels, Well, anybody can go on IMDb and see all the credits he would be credited if he designed things. He didn't design anything. Yeah, And I even called I even called Christopher Bescar on air here to ask him about that, and he doubled down.
He said, yes I did, and yes they did name that armor after. Me, and this is really Yeah, he doubled. Down on the lie. And then this ed guy is on his wet is on his YouTube channel telling people that story is if it's.
True, Well, sure, hope they don't get Disney after their asses. I can see that ending badly. Yeah, it's so ridiculous to make claims like that. But Bestcar also claims that he built thousands of spaceships for the secret space program.
What do you think of those claims? To me? To me Ryan, if he can't build a single airplane in thirty years, he's not building two thousand spaceships for a secret space program. He didn't work.
And will Cock is essentially committing consumer fraud because he's telling people, by my course, we have this insider that turns out to be Bestcar. He gave him a different name at first, so by my course, for three hundred and thirty three dollars, because we have this government insider that worked on top secret projects and all spaceships all Man money, and that's not true, then that's consumer fraud to me, Ludacris says, this is an awesome conversation. Really enjoying this. Your guest is awesome.
This is why your show is freaking awesome. Well, thank you, Lord Ludacris, and thanks for the support. So what about the spaceship claims and the claims of working on secret projects and area fifty one, and do you think that's all just nonsense? Like the best guar armor.
I think this guy is the team version of what's the guy's name, the head of Anderil Industries, Lucky Palmer. He's the Timu Lucky Palmer. All he ships is nothing burgers. And I'm happy, even though I know that it's not really actually worth my time because I know for a that both of these guys are total charlatan's.
I would still debate both of them in public if they're willing to accept my invitation. Yeah, but I think that they cannot. They can't withstand any debate because they've lied so much and they've just made up so much bullshit that somebody with a real science background like you, especially in these high tech fields like particle accelerators. You know, you'll kind of rip them the shreds, you know.
Yeah. So, so just to backtrack a little bit and give a little bit more context, this scientist that I mentioned earlier, Ken Shoulders, is very well regarded. He did some extremely interesting work and. There is.
Some very interesting proof of that up to and including something I say you you earlier, which you can feel free to share if you like, which was a letter from Richard Feynman to Ken's Shoulders talking about charge cluster phenomena. So that that really sets the real basis for uh a desire on my part at least two to UH forward to carry that research forward, because it gets into the fundamental nature of electron solitons. Essentially, anyone who's familiar with the art should have an understanding of that. So suffice to say, it was a tawdry, to say the least, of this guy to try to wrote me into his his his plans, and I don't know whether he's actually directly connected with them or he's just a sycophant.
I know that he's he's interviewed Chris Bescar before on his fugit. Yeah, but at the end of the day. These people are bullshitters. And and since this guy had the gall to try to rope me into it, which which is something that I would certainly not appreciate having on on my resume if it even materialized, which I doubt it would, they can kick rocks.
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Orliki's World and Supernatural go subscribe to her YouTube channel great stuff. So you you just kind of know, because of your background in manufacturing and all of these things, that this company is like a total facade. Do you think they're ever going to produce anything? And what do you think of David Wilcox's latest claim.
I don't know if you know this, but he claims that somebody invests eight hundred something billion dollars and that they're going to here's here's what I found funny will. Come say actually like a million dollars in debt and probably well they also have a lawsuit going on for they. Being sued for Yeah, they're being sued for six million dollars by an investor who gave them one million and was supposed to get back six to invest of my recollection. And also they're being sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of unpaid bills from different companies like an electrician, a sprinkler company.
Even their accountants sued them and got a judgment against them for like thirty thousand dollar. So yeah, they're heavily, heavily in debt. But one of the things that I found interesting is like, I don't know much about manufacturing, but you know, I can google. So Wilcox says, oh, we got eight hundred and twenty billion dollar investment or whatever, almost the trillion dollars, And he claims that's for an order for fifteen hundred commercial airliners.
But if you google how how many seven forty sevens were made, there's only been fifteen hundred, seven forty sevens made, and it took them like forty years to make fifteen hundred. So Wilcox claims just on the on the face of them are totally ridiculous. But what do you think of him claiming that they got eight hundred billion dollars in investment and they're going to make fifteen hundred airplanes. Dellusions of grandeur, man, Yeah, absolute and totally abject, fucking delusions of grandeur.
This is Oh, I'm not crazy when I say they're not producing fifteen hundred commercial airliners in a short period of time. You know, the only thing they produce is nothing burgers. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of been She'll be a rendering from this century.
Yeah, yeah, because they're kind of using nineteen eighty nine graphics software to make their stuff. And then they made a video that looked like it was made in then in the early nineties of a plane flying. And so, by the way, I wanted to mention that while I'm not in aerodynamics engineer per se, I do play the game as a hobby, so to speak. With regards to rocketry.
Oh that's cool. I build rockety too. Yeah. The thing that I made that's a small one, and this is the nose cone for a large one that I happen to be building.
Oh well, you've got more working space technology than David Wilcock already. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually going to launch a two stage high power rocket on k motors to round about twenty thousand feet with a dielectric barrier discharge system on it to test out whether it can work for rockets, which, as far as I know, is a unique idea, at least in the public eye.
So I love rocket candy and model rockets. Like I'm teaching my eight year old nine year old now I'm teaching my nine year old and he's totally fascinated. He's like, you can run a rocket on sugar and stump remover. Yeah, we made engines and it's fun stuff.
But so tell us more about like, how did this situation with this end? You were just like Wilcox, a crank and I guess I don't want to be involved because I don't believe a word he says. And what was Ed's reaction to this situation? Well, I got lad with Ed to the point where he hung up.
And that. Oh bye bye research grant from David Wall. And I told him exactly where he could stick his proposal. But doesn't it does it?
Kind of? Does it inform us then that David Wilcop doesn't have any working technology that he's been bragging about for this long because if he had working technology, why do you need a research lab to develop the same kind of technology. Right, Yeah, it's not going to be coming any time now. If you don't even have an actual research and development lab set up or any infrastructure or apparatus.
Show me a C and C milling machine that's in that space, show me a lathe that's in that space, show me a fucking three printer that's in that space. They're liars, and I will gladly tear them apart face to face if ever I come across them at any conferences that they happen to have the goal to show up to. Yeah, they were just at the Air Dominance thing, paid to give a speech at that Air Dominant summit. Yeah, and that's where David Wilcock claimed somebody found them and invested a trillion dollars.
The thing that bothers me with Wilcock is like, there war chickens, Man, war chickens. It's not even war hawks. He's so delusional because like, if let's say, let's just let's just play this out for the sake of argument. Let's say that they found somebody with huge pockets billions of dollars and he was willing to invest, wouldn't that investor checkle on the company and then find out that they were being sued by a previous investor who called them a Ponzi scheme and an investment scam, and then therefore not risk their own money, you know what I mean, especially if you're going to invest a billion, you know, let alone eight hundred billion.
It's just so ridiculous. It's like, you know, will that kind of reminds me. Have you ever been at a bar and some guy is there and he's getting drunker and drunker telling war stories and the stories keep getting bigger and bigger. He's a pathological liar, I for sure think that.
Yeah, And it what it comes down to for me at the end of the day is that both these people are pathological liars. They have nothing to back up their claims. They're out there, they've already you know, builked over a million dollars from investors in Stavati, and then this bastard Wilcock has been you know, grifting gulobal boomers for twenty years now. Also, So yeah, I couldn't.
Even make that a decently believable number, says Indigo Horizi. Yeah, like if he had said somebody invested ten million, Okay, Oh no, somebody invested eight hundred billion dollars. You know, he must have smoked some good, good shit before that. Before you pop that one out.
John Lai says all these videos will probably be subpoenaed by the criminal case against Wilcock one day. Yeah, I mean, I believe that what he does is consumer fraud. If you're lying to the public and saying, oh, you could buy my course and we're going to talk to this government insider that worked on top secret projects, and it turns out that's all fake, then you're scamming people. That's consumer fraud.
Yep. You're lying to them about this guy's credentials. And you know, I don't know that much about people who work on secret projects. I once had to get cleared to work at a robotics lab at Drexel.
But if you did work on any kind of secret projects, I would think that you can't talk about what you worked on, but you could prove through your resume. You could let people verify with your superior that you worked on this top secret project at this top secret base something. Right. Yeah, he hasn't proven any of this shit, it's just work.
There would be at least some some paper trail that would show up somewhere to interested people. But the part of the point is that you know, nobody should even have to investigate this, like where's your LinkedIn, bro? Like where have you worked? He's worked at his own these people for thirty years that hasn't produced a single airplane.
That's basically what his resume is. It's crazy, and uh, you know it makes me wonder, like what how do you live for thirty years working for your own company that's never made a profit. There's only one way to do that, and that is to build the investors out of the money, right I think allegedly, I don't know yep. And you mentioned that you have actually shipped products, so you know what it takes to manifact things, right, Like you you understand the manufacturing process, and we know that Wilcox Stevati hangar is just an empty hangar.
So from a manufacturing perspective, let's try to game this out. If they really were going to produce fifteen hundred planes, what would they need in that facility to produce fifteen hundred planes? How much money would it cost for the tooling and the machining and the carts, Like what what are we talking about here, just so we can know that this is all bullshit. For fifteen hundred planes, Yeah, with titanium diboride skins that are cut with as as Chris Bescar claimed, EDM.
Okay, so let's let's start there, just to break off a little chunk of it um. Yes, titanium diboride can be machined by EDM, and yes it can be coated onto other surfaces. But as far as I can tell, there is no way in hell you're gonna make all of the arrow skins for an aircraft out of plates of titanium bebylide. Uh yeah, even even.
It would be prohibitively expensive. It would be so absurdly expensive, and you would need a multitude of those machines in order to be able to cut all of those those plates in a reasonable amount of time. It just there's so many ways that it falls apart. But also that place is definitely not going to be large enough, and there there would be a big question early on if this was at all actually serious about uh you know, what what the manufacturing investments are going to be?
What, what if anything is going to be farmed out to other companies? And you know what is going to be taken care of on site. A lot of times with companies that don't have the capabilities to buy large capital manufacturing equipment, they opt for farming it out and then they essentially right and then they buy the parts and they integrate an assembol at their site. So but with eight hundred billion, you know, that's a hell of a lot of manufacturing infrastructure if you're going in that direction, which it would make sense for them to do if they were actually a serious company making planes, because it would it would give them, you know, they would own the machines that have the capability to make all the stuff.
But that's a large, large chain of supply. So I would think you're talking about billions in manufacturing equipment to make that many airplanes. Yeah, yeah, and somebody any billions. Somebody in the in the live chat mentioned the labor force too.
You would need three hundred five hundred people, and that's if you want it done in a decade, right, Like, it's kind of crazy. One other question that I had for you from an engineering perspective. I don't know if you're familiar with this, but Wilcock has said that this sm thirty nine or whatever. This thing that looks like a buck Roger spaceship, their air dominance fighter would do mock four and be able to fly in space.
You know, the reason that the Blackbird could only go as fast as it could I think mock three point five maybe was because of the heat. Even with titanium, they could only go mock three point five or the would melt the fucking plane. So how is Wilcock getting over the heat problems and getting a plane to mock four or you're an engineer, I. Don't think Willcock knows a goddamn thing.
But when it comes to what Chris Bescar has said, you know that that that these planes are going to be are going to have titanium diboride skins. Now, titanium diboride is a refractory material with a very high melting point, so it could conceivably be used for that, but it's it's such a hard material to cut and even with with wire e d M or sink or dm uh just the amount of surface area just makes it prohibitive at any thickness unless you're coating it on stuff which could be feasible to to coat, like magnallium or or thin stainless alloy or something with a layer of titanium diporide. But that's not going to give you the deep temperatures resistance it would get from a from the bulk material. So I see where best Guar is going with that.
But there's no way in hell he has the ability to do it. So basically, it's just a wishful thinking delusion, like most of the Stavati claim, unless. They actually have eight hundred billion and they have some of the largest wire and syncer edim machines on the planet. Was no fucking way.
And let's get to the I know you have a background and a big interest in exotic technology, and you know like free energy devices. Wilcock has claimed that his hovercar will use a free energy engine. So this is where it gets to the point of ridiculous. It's like, not only is he going to need working anti gravity technology to make this to make his claims a reality and not just bullshit, he's going to need a working free energy machine to power it.
What do you think of those claims? Because I know that you have extensive knowledge about a lot of let's just say free energy shady free energy devices that don't really work. Do you think Wilcox saw you know, do you think he's saw like those YouTube videos where it's a hoax and he really thinks that that shit is real? Or like, what's going on there?
And what's what's the fees of ability of really creating an anti gravity machine and a free energy device working in tandem, because those would be basically two magic science fiction devices that aren't real that you make real to make his claims real, right, Like, it's so ridiculous to me. Well, I think many people have tried, many people have failed. I'm one of those people. I'm one of those people.
But also few of those people had the resources that would really be needed in order to even try. I think there is there there is a question to be had with regards to open uh open questions out there. There There are several and one of them for me, uh to to backtrack to what I mentioned earlier, is electron charge clusters. UH that that is a very interesting field of as far as I can tell, very real research that shows anomalous effects that as far as I know, are publicly not not well understood, barely even known about.
And one of the things that I've been saying is that that body of research deserves to be carried forward because of the strong foundations that it's based on. So along with all the Charlatans and free energy and the hoaxers and the scammers, you do think there might be something to some of that research, because for me, my study of it was it's very tantalizing, like you think you're going to be able to crack the code. And I spent a long time, we talked before the show, of building crystal power cells and Badini motors and all kinds of stuff, but I didn't get the results that I wanted. But that was always like so tantalizing, like maybe if I try again, I'll get better results, or you know a little more reality of being generated out of this device more than is being put in.
And you know, do you think there is something to some of the research like Ken Shoulders and some of the more reputable guys. Well, specifically with regards to Ken Shoulders, there's the the letter that I mentioned that Richard Feineman wrote to Ken Shoulders, and so that that is really unequivocal for me, Uh that that that is, you know, it's it's very interesting because it shows a direction forward UH with regards to specifically what is colloquially called ball lightning toward UH, a means of reliably and repeatedly producing UH the the let's just call the ball lightning effect. Now, in Ken Shoulders case, it occurred on a on a very small scale, but there is some conjecture that that the effects that he found can be generalized in order to explain some of the things that eyewitnesses have seen with natural ball lightning UH.
And and chief among those things is that there there have been cases where ball lightning will apparently pass through solid objects, fly straight through a door or a wall, or into or out of the mountain. That's interesting. Yeah, And here this letter, Richard Feidman is apologizing to Ken's Shoulders. Yeah.
So, so the story behind this is that Ken Shoulders approached Richard Fiman at some point in person and described his work on charge clusters to him, and at the time Fiman sort of rejected him outright. And my thinking is that he must have thought that what's known as the Koolam repulsion or the space charge limit would come into play and it would prevent you from being able to pack a whole bunch of electrons into such a small space. Because they're all negatively charged, they're going to want to fly apart. But moving electrons create magnetic diepoles, and magnetic diepoles can line up.
In fact, they like to line up. So what Ken. Shoulders appears to have found is what I mentioned earlier, which is essentially that these electron clusters exist in a soliton state. And what I mean by that is we we we have common examples from uh the air vortex rings that dolphins blow in water, or uh, there's there's a thing called the follicle soloton where you you you sweep a plate across the surface of a pool and it creates two counter rotating vortices that travel all the way down to the bottom of the pool, create these two counter rotating dark spots and then can travel all the way across the pool.
Okay, So so these are example and also probably the most common example is smoke rings. So so smoke rings and water vortex rings and follicle solotons, those are all examples of of three dimensional free space solotons. And so the question is is ball eightning a a three dimensional free space electron soliton and I think there's quite a bit of of evidence to support that. And so my my real interest and and my thrust there is is to actually, ah, you know, further that research.
So just recently, I I actually did a presentation a week ago with I just got to think of their name. I think it's Dow Labs anyway, Uh, it's the Martin Fleischman Memorial Project, Bob Greenier in his group. I I did a presentation to them about a series of design studies that I've done recently on charge cluster emitters, means of making charge cluster emitters that could emit reliably and repeatably emit charge cluster beams. In order for us to be able to really make the connection between the micro and the macro, it has to be observed and repeatable and repeatable, and as a result, it needs to be built to particle accelerator standards.
Well you know something about that, huhuh Yeah. Having worked on particle accelerators, I'm always nervous about particle accelerators. This isn't there, like, isn't there some infinitesimal chance that a particle accelerator could create a black hole and kill. Us all there is a zero chance of that occurring.
Really, I'd heard that that the Large Hadron Collider could possibly do that. I think I think that that comes from a bit of science reporting hyperbole, that that occurs. Quick goddam clickbait. Yeah, I fell for the clickbait.
I thought, yeah, clickbait totally. Why would they even if there's an infinitesimal percent chance that that could happen, why would they fire up a machine like. That, right, because there's a zero percent chance. Because that's just actually understand how energy scales.
It's just absurd. They have to put so much energy into those superconnecting magnets and the cooling systems and the the bend magnets, which, by the way, are being made right now for so so the new dipoles and quadrupoles for the high luminosity upgrade of the LHC are being made right now at Berkeley Lab. And I got to see some of them. Oh, you were working there at Berkeley, right, Yeah, And that's interesting.
And the guy who manages that section, I got to talk to him about it too, and he described some of the details of it. There's no way in hell this is the result of people who don't understand some of the basics of energy and energy physics. Yeah right. I I'm definitely no expert when it comes to all of this stuff.
So I just remember reading that multiple sources saying that, like, it's very risky what they're doing because they could create a black hole that would suck the Earth into it. And know these these people are fearmongers. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm all for science as long as it's like done safely, you know, And they did basically, the LHC accomplished one huge goal that they had for years, right with the God particle or whatever.
So the Higgs boson, the discovery Higgs boson. Yeah, that's amazing to me. But hopefully they'll continue research. I wasn't aware that they're So they're upgrading the LHC to do what Just so I understand.
They're upgrading it so that the beam will have an even higher luminosity than it currently does. So you could think of it as the beam brightness. It's essentially the beam brightness. Okay, So it's like upgrading the laser or whatever, upgrading a laser or whatever more power.
Yeah, they're they're upgrading the ionometers and the confinement and ben magnets, and uh, the the collision and detector area where that that detector is also most of the components of that detector are also being made at Berkeley Lab. By the way, get them the shout out. So, yeah, I got to see a bunch of that stuff. And uh, this this is a common thing with with accelerators where uh they'll do a series of of of experimental runs, sometimes you know, lasting years.
And in the case of the one that I worked on, which is uh, the the a l S, the Advanced Light Source Synchrotron at Berkeley Lab. It's in the big round pink building. It's it has a six about a six hundred foot diameter beam center, and uh they're currently in the the upgrade process for ALSU, which is the Advanced Light Source Upgrade and essentially that's going to upgrade improve the the reduce the size of the beam and improve the beam power from the current round about three g ev to about four g ev. That's giga electron vaults.
That's a lot of well, that's a lot of voltage. Yeah, So. It's it's kind of interesting because the what they call the beam power, it's it's it's it's it's gigavaults essentially, but at millionams. Okay, so you have to use you know, several megawatts of power to run all the stuff that can can produce and maintain that beam.
Well, that's pretty interesting. And you have worked on or or you mentioned to me some of your study of of like this free energy technology and stuff like that. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your interest in that kind of stuff and what you've done with that, because you know, you have a real background in science and engineering, so I'd be interested to hear about the free energy stuff that you think is plausible and stuff that maybe you researched or worked on that you think has showed some promise, because you know that world is filled with just as many scammers as UFOs is, right, there's just so many scammers in that attracts them.
It's really unfortunate because there are some of us who are open minded enough to believe, I suppose that there could be some corners of science and engineering that haven't been fully explored yet, and we have to contend with these typically loud mouthed people who are just you know, grifters, or they could be well meaning, but parroting things that they've heard, and for me, when it comes down to is is building things. I'm real big on proof of concept, you know. One of the things one of the things that I experienced I worked at the Drexel Robotics Lab and at that point I built a bunch of robots and got friendly with one of the professors there who liked some of my work. But one of the things I found in academia especially is like that everybody is a theorist and nobody built, you know.
I'm like, builds it ben you know, except one of. The well, of course, because it can be expensive to properly build things. Yeah. One of the professors, though, was very critical of some of my work, and I was kind of like, it works.
It's inexpensive, and it's easily reproducible and manufacturable, So I don't see the issue, mister theory, Like go get go, go down to the shop and show me a better version of what I built. You know, they could too many theorists and h I'm real big on proof of concept, Like, don't tell me what you think you can build, show me you know something working, right, isn't there like a shortage though of people that can shell working devices, they're always like it almost works in my experience, you know, there's some missing component or you know what I mean? Like, am I wrong in that kind of interpretation of some of these free energy things? What do you think about about them?
Well? I think that in general, there's something to be said for trying to design for higher efficiency in all sorts of different ways. And what I've seen with with regards to let's say, some some of the magnet magnet motors out there, Uh, there there are some some interesting improvements I would say that I've seen over standard motors. And so just as a motor or just as a generator, there are examples of novel things out.
There that. That that can or do have the capability to to have working prototypes built and to be commercialized. And it just so happens that I'm actually I'm employed doing that right now. We are what I can say about it because we do have an NDA, but I'm I'm designing an axial flex motor.
And this motor carries forward the ideas of a Canadian inventor by the name of Bill Mueller. He built some very interesting permanent magnet pulse motors that I've seen the original of although it's it's in something of a state of disrepair. It only had one set of coils mounted. But his his daughter Carmen, invited me to come up to her house and uh several other people and we sort of had a meeting of minds.
This was back in December and since then we we have a mutual friend who's a machinist who actually wants to build motors, and uh so we we are in the process of building a thing. But here's here's one thing that I also want to say. I'm not selling you people anything. I don't have a YouTube well I do have a YouTube channel, but I have like five subscribers.
Whatever. I'm not out there trying to sell a story to people. Yeah, you're not drifting. We could tell that.
You know, you're not selling a book, you're not selling courses, you're not selling prototypes anything. It might look like a bit of a clap trap, but this is my prototype that I just designing cat and built myself of one of Bill Moeller's well using using some of the ideas that that that Bill Muller was one of the people to pioneer along with John Bedini. I should also mention, right, I built this whole thing myself, all the way down to the cores and the coils, and it does run as a motor currently on two inputs, and I ran into a little snag where it likes to explode the input mosfats. It needs some other things it needs it needs an output connection and a load.
But what are the advantage of I have a proof of concept that it does work, and it does work well as a motor, and that's enough. You know, we there there's so many people out there who who want because an idea of free energy, but really even separately as as a motor or as a generator. Uh what what John Bedini and Bill Maher and other people like them, Ray Cromery and several others did. At least efficiency right of a electric motor.
So this is a super efficient electric motor. All all of those things do represent, in the case of their inventors, intellectual property. Although as far as I know, well, I don't know about John. I think he's still around, but maybe not.
Unfortunately I don't know, But. No, I think you're still around. Yeah, But so there's there's this whole thing about applications, right, you you you come up with some novel thing, and there could be a number of applications that that it can be geared toward. But all of that requires so much effort.
You know, I have multiple three D printers, I have a bunch of my own stuff. I make stuff all the time, and and still, you know, it's it's not easy for for someone like me who's a design engineer who's been doing it for twenty years professionally. So there is something to be said for, you know, garage inventors who might stumble across something and what those somethings could be. I can't really say that.
I'm I'm at liberty to say, not because of any deep state bullshit or anything like that, but simply because I think the the juries as it were, is still out. And you know, John Betdini did pass away in twenty sixteen. I wasn't even aware, so you're correct, that's a shame piece. He was a very interesting guy, very interesting guy.
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So what are the what's the advantage of a pulsed electric motor versus just one that doesn't isn't pulsed, it's just straight current? Is energy efficient or what's the advantage? Well, yes, I would say there's there are are definitely prospects for or improving the energy efficiency of a pulsetmotor versus a standard motor, all other aspects of the design being the same. Let's say if you had two of the same kind of structure, but one runs in a pulset mode and one one is let's say AC or multi phase, there's definitely something to be said for in the pult motors.
Since you're pushing the rotor instead of dragging the rotor around, you have bucking fields. And when you have bucking fields, you can get to field strengths that are higher then you can get to with solely attracting fields, and so you have an opportunity there, and there are multitude ways to go about seizing that opportunity. Okay, well, that's interesting, and that's one of the things that you're working on is approving the efficiency of electric motors. Right, yes, but it is more difficult than the standard motors because the controls become rather complex when it comes to pulse systems versus.
Yeah, so what do you use a micro controller to control the pulses of power? Something like that. Essentially? Yeah, Oh that's interesting.
Yeah, I'm fascinated with electric motors and I like electric everything. Like I don't like gas chainsaws. I don't like my gas powered car because I don't know how to work on a gasoline engine. So like if I buy a gas chainsaw or a gas lawnmower and it dies, well I just got to buy a new one.
It's fucked. But anything electric I've ever had, I could take it apart and replace the motor. Gas engines are such a clap trap. Yeah, it's just see just from looking at them that it's like it's the result of years and years and years of of of things being glombed on to other things without a real you know, overall plan for for for for improvement.
It's just incremental improvements year to year. And that's it. Yeah, I miss, I should correct myself. Carbureted cars I could fix and work on, but there are none anymore unless you want to buy a car from nineteen eighty two, you know's fuel injection and computer controlled and it's a mess.
Now I can't but I don't like. I don't like gasoline powered anything because I generally can't work on some of the stuff or get it running again. And electric I don't know, Like you know, I bought an electric lawnmower like twenty years ago. It still works, it's fine, do you know what I mean?
And it's required almost zero maintenance. Sharpened the blade on it once in a while because I hit a rock. But I just much prefer electric everything because maybe because I'm electronics guy, so I know I could probably fix it if I had to. You know, there's been a few things that died on me, like a weed whacker.
I replaced a motor in or whatever you know, blew it out somehow, But gas engines seem to be I don't know, it just seemed so archaic to me, like I would think that electric motors are more efficient and lower maintenance. And right, well, there there are some very interesting shining examples out there, and I can name three of them. Koenig Zig, the Germans supercar manufacturer BMW just recently and a company called Donut Lab. All three of those companies now have PAD for multi phase axial flux motors, and in the case of konig Zag, they're they're so called they called it the dark Matter motor.
It weighs eighty six pounds and it can take a maximum of six hundred kilowatts, which is eight hundred horse power. That's crazy. Eighty six pounds, eight hundred horse power. It's absolutely incredible.
So look at up thirty two. If you put one on each wheel of a car, right, hundred horse powers Jesus Christ. And one of those could fit on a motor, a motorcycle that would be completely and totally overpowered to the point where like you know, your your your next design difficulty is actually finding a power source that's dense enough to run the thing. Oh yeah, I could imagine.
They probably suck a lot of power. Just for an example, So you said this one electric motor has eight h or horse power, Right, the twenty twenty five Chevy Corvette z R one has one thy sixty four horse power. So that's pretty interesting. It's almost got the horsepower of a brand new Corvette and one electric motor.
Well, I think you could rightly call this class of electric motors actually electric engines. Oh okay, yeah, that is they. They work more like engines, for sure, And I think really that that's that's a big part of the future with regards to electric vehicles, regardless of their power source. But you know, there's always that question of how do you how do you get enough power on board to power motors that powerful.
We're already at that point with the motors. You need a generator or maybe solid state batteries or a some kind of. Better than lithium ion battery, right it wo needs something better. Than that, right, Yeah.
But one of the I think one of the big power I think one of the really central questions with regards to this idea of free energy is systems that interact with their environments. In Now, I'm I'm not a physicist, so I can't speak for all physicists, but from my understanding, in order to be able to do engineering and in order to have you know, test cases that you can calculate for, you need to simplify the problem. In some sense. There's this question of whether a system interacts with its environment.
Now, typically if we're just looking at a particle traveling through space or something. We essentially say that it doesn't interact with its environment, and by environment, I don't mean atmosphere, I mean just the space around it. And I think there are open questions there, and it's it's important to recognize that that there is the possibility that Maxwell's demon could be could be tricked into going in one direction instead of all directions. And I'm not going to pooh pooh that that possibility outright just because I haven't seen it an example of it yet.
I think a lot of people have tried, and maybe a lot of people, maybe some people have gotten close, maybe some people have actually achieved that. There's also a discussion that anyone serious would need to have with regards to our forebears and the people whose shoulders we stand on, some of whom claimed that that they came up against suppression, and some of whom died, and some of those died under suspicious circumstances. So there is there's there's an awful lot of conspiracies about people who died under suspicious circumstances that were developing some of these what I would call fringe technologies like free energy or you know, right, it seems like an awful lot of water powered car. Guy with poisoned and you know, and I think Stanley Meyer, Stanley Meyer.
Yeah. And then there was allegedly poisoned or something. He thought he was poisoned. Yeah, and he suddenly died.
And then Eugene Mallow, who for for many years was the the publisher and editor of Infinite Energy magazine, the the the only popular magazine that that that covers the subject of low energy nuclear reactions and ColdFusion, now there again. Also I want to say that, uh, you know, I I don't lean one way or the other. I'm open to the possibility, but it really has to get to the point where something is rigorous and repeatable and that demonstrations occur in public. That's all that is required of anyone who actually breaks that bear.
It would no longer suffice to say, well it, you know it. It breaks the laws of of of thermodynamics. If you have something that's interacting with its environment and able to train ambient energy from its environment, then yes, you can have something that appears to put out more than it takes to keep it running. Yeah.
Well, that's kind of be an issue with many things. And what do you think about some of the I don't, I know, you don't really, you're not really up to speed, I suppose on all the alien UFO stuff. But a lot of these people have been making claims of having like exotic materials that you know, we hear about bismuth and magnesium and anti gravity, and what do you think of some of the anti gravity claims related to UFOs or not there is there a real path to real anti gravity or is this just wishful thinking science fiction and hoaxers and you know, bullshitters. So if you look at the the general relativistic equation for gravity and you look at Maxwell's equation for the magnetic field, you can see that they are very very similar parallels for sure.
Yeah, you could say almost identical. It's just a couple of terms that are are different. And so naturally the question arises, well, is there some kind of connection there that we haven't really fully sussed out yet? And since I'm I'm not a physicist, I I can't say that I have enough specific knowledge to be able to say one way or another.
But I think that most of of the the on the books, physicists would pooh the idea because you know, there's this whole concept that that you can't cheat Maxwell's demon but what if you can? And so that's I think that's that's really what the question boils down to for for everybody who has wondered about these things. Yeah, I mean I just kind of wondered what your take on that kind of stuff was. So, yeah, you you are doing these Oh I'm sorry, go ahead.
So so they're really the I suppose the theoretical question for me is can can it be established that there is a direct connection between gravity and electromagnetism as many people have posited. If that is true and it can be proven with experiment, it would absolutely be revolutionary and I think it deserves the effort for sure, because what that extends to is is really, you know, a question that's connected with the Drake equation, but in reverse, it's a question of whether we can ever get out there. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're I guess you're right. So back to Stevandi, I think you've been kind of following along.
Do you think they're ever going to produce anything? Or do you think that this is just an investment scam like many have alleged, And I think it's. I think it's an investment scam, and both of those guys are gonna end up in jail for what they've done. Yeah.
I mean, if they're lying to people, especially collecting money, claiming bestcar was building spaceships, you know, I just I just some people. It makes me wonder, like, do you know that they haven't produced an airplane in thirty years, But you're gonna believe that this guy built two thousand spaceships for some secret space program. And oh, by the way, those shitty renderings, even if they did build those planes, they still wouldn't fly if they had real anti gravity systems in. Them, you think.
So, yeah, it looks like they're just like it looks like a lot of the designs of his just like purposely designed to make it look cool, not to make it fly, right, you know what I mean. It's like extra wings and weird configurations. I mean, there's there's a reason there were only like two or three experimental forward swept wing aircraft ever in the US. They're very unstable, right, Yeah, Yeah, I would think it's interesting that H.
Wilcock every week is telling people of all these wonderful things that this company is gonna do. Someday, and and again with the the lies of his just seem to be out of control. Like when he first started saying his company was getting investors, it was like five million, ten million. You know.
Now he's up to eight hundred and something billion dollars and the contract is signed though, Ryan Hopkins, they're just waiting for the money. God damn, i'd I'd like to come across an angel investor who gives me even a million bucks, and you know what they're gonna get. They're gonna get a product that ships within like a year. Like, oh, that's pretty interesting.
And you know, we talked about this. I mean, what it comes down to really is design engineering and the science behind it. And there are so many holes in these guys stories that you know, you could fly some of those shitty planes through those big holes. Yeah, we were talking about this process of converting plastic into usable fuel.
What did you call that term for that, pyrolysis? Pyrolysis? Can you give me because I'm just personally curious. I have no idea how that works.
Can you give me a brief? Sure, try to explain it to this monkey brain of mine, Like, how do you take plastic I'm assuming it involved some process of heating it or something. But how do you take plastic like let's say I had shredded up plastic bottles from sodas soda bottles. How do you take that through this process and turn it into some form of usable diesel?
How do you turn it back into its you know, source material. By heating it in an anoxic environment. So you have a chain, you fill it with your shredded trash plastic, you backfill it with an innert gas and then not oxygen. It can't be oxygen, right right, And then you you have a series of electrodes inside that that vessel where you strike an arc and the well actually there.
So that's plasma pyrolysis, but you can do it just with heat also, and essentially it's it's heat reduction. You're you're heating it to the point where it would combust if there were oxygen, but since there's not oxygen, it decomposes. Okay, that makes sense to me, And so you essentially you get like a hydrocarbon feed stock, the equivalent of a hydrocarbon feed stock out of it. That's both there's a gaseous fraction and there's a liquid fraction as well, and the gases fraction can go straight into gas refinery and the liquid fraction can go straight into a liquid refinery.
So you know, the big question for me with regards to mister Julian nature Jab is uh, you know, I I love what he's doing. I think that he's showing that there's a huge hole there that can be filled that can actually make the plastic recycling industry profitable, especially if you co locate it right next to a refinery. Yeah, well, you would think four bucks a gallon for diesel, like, that's got to be profitable, especially when your input source. You know, what would be the cost involve Your input source is going to be trash, So the cost involve would be the power and I guess they inert gases the machinery, but most guys amazing.
Because that's just process heat that's already there at the refineries. So you can use the process heat that they already have to do the pyrolysis process. It's it would be an absolute game game changer where you're taking the landfill and you're you know. You're yeah, imagine taking an average landfill.
This is what I was thinking about. There used to be a landfill in New Jersey on the way to my parents' house, and like I would pass that landfill. It was huge, It was like miles long. And I remember passing that landfill and thinking, what if you could take all of the plastics, every single plastic out of that landfill.
Because first of all, they don't it doesn't break down. They just cover it over with bulldozers and hope for the best. But if you could take all the plastics out of every landfill, that's got to be a huge amount of energy you could produce with that. It is, And if you can also set up infrastructure to prevent more and more plastics from reaching the landfill, just have him go straight into the paralysis process, that's even better.
It could be one in every city or something. Yeah, like actually make the plastic recycling industry profitable instead of subsidized by the government, which always has been. Yeah. And it's also recycling is a lie, don't you think, Like they don't recycle most of the materials they collected, They ship them off to Indonesia or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's the thing too, is it's there's a big grift in the recycling industry where there's no uh verifiable uh uh chain of custody so to speak for the trash. So yeah, it can wind up wherever. But there is a solution to that that needs to be industrialized, and as far as I'm concerned, Julian is leading the way, so he gets he gets all the big ups for that, I hope.
Yeah. There was another there was another person and I can't recall his name, but he came up with the process for shredding plastic and then through some kind of chemical and heat process he would press it into something that's like plywood. That's another like, why not there's all these homeless people plastically. It's a replacement for for decking and stuff like that.
I've seen that stuff or sighting or whatever you can exciting out of it. Yeah, I just think that, like it makes me. It makes me sad when you know that, like every one of us we have microplastics in us because it's just so toxic and just all over every environment there's microplastics everywhere and dirt and you know, your lawn probably has microplastics in it, and food and you know whatever, you're going to have that stuff in you. It's toxic, you know, I mean, it's plastics convenient, but there's a huge problem with how do you get rid of it when you're done with it.
This this fuel process, to me, is fascinating. It should be like we could have a we could have one of those processing plants or multiple of them in every big city and you take all your plastic there and maybe they could have like a credit program, like they give you credits for the plastic if it's enough, so you could get some free gas or whatever. Yeah, it would work perfectly for energy credits because you know, it's it's it's like a one to one exchange kind of thing. Yeah, more than bound up in all of these different plastics, and so so we know, you know, approximately the quantity of energy that is bound up in each of these types of plastics for a certain amount, and if that were all to be compiled into a commercial plant that does pyrolysis, it would absolutely be game changing.
Limo has a good question. There have been attempts before, and actually there are some cities that have commercial pyrolysis machines, but it's still just hasn't gone past that first step yet. That makes sense, and Lineman mebe has a good question, wouldn't this still be a huge energy input to heat this process? Also there's the issue of contaminants.
I have an environmental science degree. I promise a lot of smart people. So when you think of the energy required to do this. So with regards to the idea of co locating a pyrolysis plant on the same site as a refinery, refineries have plenty of process heat, that is, heat that is too low grade for them to use in the processes, but it's still high grade enough to be useful.
Okay, So there are instances where you can get high enough grade process heat right on site there at the refinery where you could use that he where right now it's just being bled off. It's like nothing's occurring with it. It's just excess that's a part of the process. And that could be utilized to make the plastic transform into fuel.
Then right, yeah, Oh that's so. It seems to be a no brainer. You know, you wonder what sometimes all the government does with all of our tax dollars, Like that would be something I would support taxpayer money going to research Like it just seems like a no brainer. Somebody should be doing it.
I'm going to see if I could get this Julian guy on the show, because I think he's doing great work. It's fascinating what he's trying to do. Oh and that'd be awesome if you could get him on. Yeah, I would love to talk to him because he seems like a brilliant guy and he's really so passionate about what he's doing.
I love that. You know, when you find somebody it's just not only are they doing great work, but they're super passionate about what they're trying to do and change. He could change the world with that technology. Yeah, yeah, you know he's he's gotten some shit for it, also because there are certain naysayers who are like, oh, well you're you're just a welder and you're not an engineer and blah blah blah.
You know, he is an amazing autodid act just to be able to learn enough to assemble and operate a functional pyrolysis system, so those people can kick rocks. Okay, it's back to show me your device. That's better. You know, there's always going to be critics.
Well, I appreciate you taking the time to help shed some light on the Stevati scam. As I call it and uh, you know, we'll check in with you again and see if you've got some interesting research projects. Maybe you could come back and talk about the Some of the stuff that you're working on seems pretty interesting to me, So I love fringe science and all that kind of stuff. Thank you for having me, Steve, I really appreciate it, and thanks thanks to everybody in the chat who who came and the viewers out there.
I appreciate the chance to, uh to talk a little bit about the things i've I've worked on, and of course, you know, put another nail in the Stevadi. Yes, Well, it's good to hear from somebody with your background because then we know, you know, like they. I don't have a background like you. So when I say this is a scam and here's why, it might not have hold as much weight, but somebody with your manufacturing background and your science and engineering background can really help us to pick apart and peel back those layers of deception that are being used to create this false, bullshit reality.
Yeah, what David Wilcock and Stevadi sell is a tall tail and that's all they sell. That's the only product they've ever shipped. So fuck them. Yeah, well, hey, I agree with you.
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He's an interesting guy. I love guys that are tech guys that are into strange science stuff. And you know, it's very interesting to me this kind of I've always been interested in fringe science, right, fringe science is very interesting to me. Let me check in with the PayPal pledges.
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He bounce on out of here. Dek Star says, this is the only person was fine enough to call out all these UFO fraudsters combined. Is the goat. Thank you.
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He's got the band hammer out, right, he's got the band hammer out. We all went over there to troll him. Yeah, fuck dark Side Phil. He's one of those, one of those guys, man, I can't believe he still has any audience.
Whatsoever. Considering the way he begs like crazy, it's absolutely ridiculous to me that that guy's still getting donations. The way he yells and bitches and cries to his audience, it's like it's cringe worthy. Arleen reminding everybody that you could follow me on x or Twitter at Stephen Cambion's the best place to know about upcoming shows.
And I apologize. I did say we're doing a live show yesterday, but I had some family commitments that had to be taken care of and of you know, family stuff comes first. No place I would rather be, but I had some things going on. How to take care of TROLLI troll troll.
Actually, there are some in David Wilcox's chat that seemed like genuinely good people. Too bad they are deluded. Yeah, Double Tap Ranger Outdoors, thank you for exposing what needs to be exposed. Well, that's one of the things we're here.
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It is much much appreciated. And where are they at? I have some oh hearing Praise the cash, Praise the cash, Praise the cash. Thank you for your kindness, Thank you for your generosity.
Praise the cash, Praise the cash, praise thank you. Double tap Ranger Outdoors. So I guess to just kind of wrap things up and bookend things. What we learned tonight is that most likely David Wilcock and Christopher Bescar of Safanni Aerospace have no working technology.
If they did, why are they starting research labs that David Wilcock wants the fun to find basically the technology they claim they already have. Remember, our guest tonight was working on things like any gravity and charge clusters and free energy devices. And you know, why would they need to start a research lab and then fund someone like our guests tonight to develop these technologies if they already knew how to do it and they already had it working. It seems very clear to me that they have nothing that works.
All they have is lies and fake stories about Christopher Bescar working on top secret projects and Area fifty one technologies that he was exposed to, you know, no offense, but I called bullshit. I absolutely call bullshit. And we do have the David Wilcock clips, but I'm going to save that for another time. Patty says, I'm surprised dark Side Field doesn't get taken down by YouTube, but who knows how that operates.
Yeah, yes, we're assuming tomorrow, but still send me money for long term projects. As Richard Staphne. Yeah, every Sunday, it's time to troll David Wilcock. Yes, this more.
I can't wait. You know, I don't like to wish my time away, but I can't wait till the end of twenty twenty five because by then, even as dumb as Rocks followers were, no, they all got well no, they all got scammed. No ascension in twenty twenty five, none tales of the Sonic Voyage. I signed up for wilcox YouTube today.
I need to catch his live sometimes. Oh boy, right, David Wilcock is on at four am Monday mornings. Here, says mister Sauce. Well, you must be in a foreign country with quite the time change.
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So, brother, can you spare a dollar? The link to our Patreon is in every video description and podcast description, and I've got a bumper for that. But I'll play that on the way out here. So boy, I think we had a great guest tonight.
I had a fun conversation. I like shows like this. It was very effortless, right. I had a video of Alezondo apologizing for his USA UFO deception, but I deleted in twenty nineteen, which I kept it.
Yeah, me too. I would have loved to see that. Richard Warner's little lady has to watch the less than live version. I'm banned from comments again for twenty four hours.
I have to wait to be out of YouTube jail to comment. Then. I don't know which you're in YouTube jail for nothing that I've done. When David Wilcock was with Corey Good, my gut instinct told me everything was off with them both.
Everything they talked about was way too far fetched. Yeah, and now we know for sure that they were just making all those stories up, and that's been verified by multiple people, including their former boss and producer of the television show they were on at Guya TV. Just one of those things. So, my friends, we've done our dude diligence and it appears that we've caught David Wilcock lying again.
And I love that we have sort of an industry manufacturing expert, a real engineer to confirm what I already knew. But you know, we like to be sure, and that is that David Wilcox's claims are complete and total horseshit. He's not creating space planes, he's not creating international I'm sorry, interstellar spaceships and rocket ships and missiles and super fast airplanes and hover cars and electric cars. He's producing nothing but bullshit.
And you know, at some point in time, David Wilcock is going to have to pay for his deception, and I believe that that time is coming. So hey, David Wilcock, TikTok, motherfucker. You're going to have to come up with a whole new scam after this latest angel ascension is coming soon. Scam which by the way, Wilcock has ran twice before, comes crashing down at the end of this year.
And no ascension, no mass arrests. Oh, he's saying that the ice arrests or the mass arrests he's been talking about bullshit. He's desperate for a win. It's completely and totally ridiculous that this clown is allowed to just scam people openly on the Internet for years on end and he never seems to face any consequences, but I'm sure that those consequences are coming.
It's called karma. You can't live your life scamming people for decades and not pay a karmack price. Just karma always works, friends, but sometimes it takes way too long. So I've been trying to help karma accelerate the karmic wheel, you might say, so that Wilcock faces those consequences sooner rather than later.
I've done this to the best of my ability, at great personal price, because Wilcock is telling everybody I'm a criminal, and I'm a Satan worshiper, and I'm a child predator, and I'm a thief that stole money out of his BA bank account, and I'm a terrorist as bad as the unibomber. And he's gonna assue me, and he's gonna have me arrest it, and I'm gonna get the death penalty. It's absolutely ridiculous. David Wilcock, your grift is coming crashing down, and if you ask me, it can't happen to a more deserving person.
So we have done our due diligence and that's all I got for your friends. But I will be back tomorrow night at seven pm Eastern Standard Time. Got a great show, big show plan for you. It's morn night, seven pm Eastern Standard time.
But for now, that's all I got for your friends who want to thank our amazing guest Ryan and all of you for joining us. I'll be back tomorrow night, seven pm Eastern. I hope you'll be here with me. Good night, and God bless all of you.
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Greetings and salutations, friends, and welcome back for those of you unaware. For quite some time now, we have been chipping away at the false reality that David Wilcock portrays, both his claims of speaking to angels who tell him to take dance in his own urine to get superpowers and his technology claims so rounding the shady aerospace company that he is the director of Advanced Technology of Stevadi Aerospace. We've showed you to court records and proven that Stevadi has been in business over thirty years and has yet to produce a single airplane product or service. Yet they're always seeking investment dollars, which is strange.
We've proven that Stevadi's only income was from a dumpster company storing dumpsters at their Niagara, New York facility, as well as a sewage company which was dumping quote phil on their property in Niagara, New York. We have continued to chip away at the false reality that David Wilcock portrays to his dumb as rocks followers and morons that think that he is a prophet or a psychic. Somehow, David Wilcock lives in a fake, false reality of his own creation, and we have been chipping away at that false reality, and tonight we're gonna do something great. David Wilcock claimed more than three years ago that they would have a working hovercr prototype within a year and has shown nothing that works.
And in fact, we have several sources here which kind of prove that David Wilcock has no working any gravity technology. It has no working free energy technology. David Wilcock just keeps changing the plans. You know, Oh, we're going to build electric cars, We're going to build interstellar spaceships.
Now it's completely and totally ridiculous. David Wilcock claims that they're going to build hover cars with free energy engines. You won't even need to put fuel in it or power it, It'll just power itself. So I have been speaking to several people, chief among them Tonight's guests, who have some interesting stories to ship about Stevady Aerospace and their technological claims.
Tonight's guest has an extensive background in technology, engineering and science, and so I thought it would be awesome to get a real engineer, somebody who's been steeped and worked in technology for many, many years, to examine David Wilcock and Stevadi's claims. And this person has a lot to share tonight friends, So let's welcome them in here. Ryan Hopkins is here to blow the whistle, a real whistleblower. Welcome Ryan Hopkins.
Thank you, Steve, thanks for having me. Yeah, he just so our audience can understand why I'm so confident with you and your Yes, it's quite common, so I apologize for that, just so the audience understands why I'm so confident in your assessment of Stevadi. Can you give our audience a little bit of your background and work history and things you've been working on before we get to the Stevadi stuff. Sure?
Sure. So I'm a mechanical design engineer, draftsman and machinists. If you have another tab open with like the show playing on YouTube, I've. Been working in the industry for twenty years.
Okay, sorry, Steve, what was that? Can you help me solve this delay issue? Yeah? If you're if you have another tab open with like the show playing on YouTube, you want to close that down.
You only want to have the one tab open, the one that you're in that you joined the show with. So if you have multiple tabs open on your browser, that may be the issue. Okay, yeah, it's funny. We were fine before the show started, so I don't know what's happening.
Now there we go. Okay, good, okay, sorry about that. I'll start. So, I'm a mechanical design engineer, draftsman, and machinist.
I've worked in the manufacturing industry for twenty years, most recently just last year, I had a twelve month work assignment at Berkeley Lab where I actually worked on some components for a particle accelerator, which was very exciting. That's impressive. So you have quite the background and work history in yes, manufacturing, engineering, and high text. Yes, you're a perfect person to kind of guide us through these Stevadi claims.
So when did you first become involved at all with them or some of their promoters and people working with them. How did you meet them and what was your first impression of Stevadi? Well, I think I had come across some things about Stevadi before, but I wasn't directly aware of them until about January of this year. Okay, I had been researching the work of a scientist by the name of Ken Shoulders, and there was a group I was invited to that was discussing his work, and in that group there was a particular person who claimed to have some connection to this aerospace company.
Over the course of several of these meetings, he essentially he pitched the idea to me of building a research laboratory in order to move forward the research work that ken Shoulders did and another group called the Proton twenty one lab in Soviet araa Ukraine, which ended up in a book that's called Controlled Nucleosynthesis. So I had been interested in ken Shoulders work because it relates to a phenomenon called electron charge clusters, which is. Something that David Wilcock has mentioned on his live streams. But he's talking about the work of Salvador Pious, which right, you know, So I'd also love to get your opinion on that.
Like David Wilcock is claiming like, oh, we're just going to take this patent that we don't own and then we're going to build hovercars with this other person's patent. Like he can't do that. And there's also no proof that these Salvador patent salvad Or Pious patents actually work, right, Like they're just claims on a piece of paper that you know. I mean, granted, he got a patent for some of this stuff, but I've seen a bunch of interviews of that guy, and he won't show anything that works, Like wouldn't if he has a patent and any gravity technology and it really works, wouldn't he show the world like at least a working desk model or something as proof of concept, and then he would be like the most famous scientist in the world.
So I don't buy the salvad or pious patents, and I especially don't buy that Wilcock has the ability to just copy somebody else's patent and make up a commercial product for sale with it, right or am I wrong? I mean, I don't understand that part of it. I think you're right. If he's let's let's say that on the surface that what David Wilcock has said about that is actually true, that would that would necessitate that he would have had a conversation with Salvator Payise.
And so the question there would be to ask mister payis if he had ever been approached by David Wilcock, which I personally highly doubt. Yeah. Yeah, So they didn't even ask him, like if they could license the patent or legally use his patent technology to create their commercial product that they're going to sell. It's kind of ridiculous, you know.
I Mean, that's besides the fact that you know, he he obtained those patents under the auspices of the Navy. So if. If if David halfcocked, I mean, Willcox actually actually is serious about that, he's going to probably have to contend with not just they're just mister Pais, but also the Navy for that, and that's the Navy would actually have worms of its own. But you know what, what we're starting with is something that that is fictional and has been since Chris Bescar started his little enterprise how long.
Ago, thirty years Yeah, about thirty years ago. I couldn't even make any new renderings those ship boxes. Yeah, I don't know, man, Like I have a background in computer science and I look at those renderings and they look like they were made with like and that's Windows ninety eight technology or something. Yeah.
So, so from the perspective of a design engineer who has shipped product for twenty years for a wide variety of companies, up to and including components for a particle accelerator, it offends me personally that these people are out here just grifting the hell out of what what I would consider to be largely a well meaning but unfortunately uninformed crowd that sort of glom onto his personality and it just becomes a cult of personality. So, you know, One of the things that we talked about briefly before that I'd like to say is that I am one hundred and ten percent willing to debate either or both of those guys at the same time, because I'll rip them the shreds. Yeah. Well, you have a real background in science and engineering.
What do you think of you know, I know you're not an aircraft engineer, but still, what do you think of some of David Wilcox's claims about this super fast jet it's going to do mock for it's going to fly in space. You know, they haven't built a single airplane and Wilcox claiming that they're going to build the fastest jet fighter ever in the history of the world. It can also fly in space as any gravity technology. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm going to do that once they're done fueling their retrofitted MiGs with pirallyzed trash.
Yeah, explain that one's good. Explain that one to us, because they made some claims about upgrading Make fighters, which there are no Make fighters to be bought. We've proven that with John Right. So there's there's there's that whole claim, and then there's this this other thing where you know, they've been renting out the hangar to some some trash company.
Yep. So there is a real process called pyrolysis where you can turn plastic mixed plastics back into a crude oil feedstock and then refine it and you can get you know, all the same stuff out of it that you get out of crude petrol. There's a guy on Facebook doing that. He's got a machine, Yes, Julian, I think.
Yeah, yeah, great. I love that guy. I love because he's trying to do something great, like imagine if we could take It's a great idea. There's so much waste plastics, why can't we take that and turn it back into fuel.
He's doing it. He's so driving diesel vehicles. He's doing demos where he puts the play stick in his machine and then he turns it into some kind of form of diesel and he's running diesel trucks with it. Yeah, it's great.
He's he's show process right there, and that's extremely inspiring to see. But also he's showing how there's a gap both in the recycling industry and in the fuels industry, because there can be a loop there that doesn't currently exist and he's got that loop. So and it's not like he invented that, but he's he autodidacted it. You know, he's built several of them and out the process himself.
Which and he's solar powering and he's solar powering the machine that makes the fuel. So it's not like it's not like he's using more power, more electric to create the fuel than the fuel is worth. He's doing it with solar power. Love.
I follow that guy on Facebook, and I'm like that that guy should be a billion he should get you know, he should have a company that makes the fuel on a large scale. There's no reason why we should have all this plastic waste. It's a resource. I agree, And and I think that's that's what exactly what he's showing, you know, and I hope he succeeds too, because he's doing real stuff.
Yeah, but back to Wilcox's claims about the garbage. Yeah, so so so it's a joke that is basically, you know, what are they what are they doing with all that trash their store in there? I wonder if they're piralyzing it for their megs? Okay, yeah, to make fuel for their the retrofitted megs.
Right, So why don't we get into how they one of their one of the people working with them, tried to recruit you to start this research lab and your reaction once you realize that David Wilcock was directly involved in this effort, and you know, like the reaction of the person that you were speaking with. And and that's Ed Kublinsky or is that his name, Ed Kerki? Ed Kuberski, who is a big sort of a cheerleader for Stevaddi on his YouTube channel. He believes that they're really going to do the things they say, so he must be a little dumb.
I don't know what was your impression of him, and how'd you meet him? And how did that recruitment because they've basically tried to recruit you to what to build any gravity technology and free energy technology or what are they looking for you to do? So so initially I was I was invited by somebody else two meeting of the sub Quantum Kinetics group, which also has a YouTube channel, and for the past few months they've been going through the work of the scientists I mentioned before. Ken Schulder.
Yeah, so since I had sort of regained a strong interest in that. Recently, I was invited to meet this group and talk with them, and so I did, and over the course of several of these meetings, eventually Ed approached me and asked me if I would be seriously interested in building a research laboratory dedicated to or at least to include principally building accelerator apparatus to further the work of Ken Shoulders on electron charge clusters, and so all was fine and well until we had a we had I think two meetings where he was just asking me questions left right and center about manufacturing machines. And of course, you know that's that's like, in a way, that's my bread and butter, so I enjoy talking about it, but I at the end I just felt like he kind of milked me for all that information on on manufacturing machines and methods. And then I found out that his plan was to apparently to approach David Wilcock for funding to do that, and I was like I I I tried to be civil about it.
I sent him, sent him a message. We we had a video call, and what it basically came down to was that I asked him point blank, you know, do you do you really believe a single thing that comes out of that motherfucker's mouth? And his response, his immediate response was well, if you don't believe David Wilcock, then you're not going to be a part of this project. Yeah, okay, buddy.
Wow. I definitely screamed some epithets and some not so nice things about them to him at that point, and I met all of them. Wow. We want to thank Tales of the Sonic Voyage, who just became a YouTube channel member of you become a channel member during the Life broadcast.
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Yeah, So what was your impression of this this ed guy and his plans to I don't know, start this research labby Did you just think he was a total whack of do once you realize that. Initially it was good? He was, he was friendly. We had some similar interests that we also talked about some audio related things, and he seemed to have some some uh knowledge, some electronics and engineering knowledge.
But once I once I realized that, you know, his his plan was to go to this this pair of Charlotte. Oh there's there's another thing too. So Ed Kubersky has been going around saying that the way that uh the name best Scar as in Bestcar armor from from. Yeah, we've we've covered Yeah, we've covered that.
He have Yeah, Bestcar claims that they name the Mandalorian's armor best gar Armor after him. Because he was like bullshit proven by Christopher Spadoveccia, because he got in touch with him, the author that wrote that. Yeah, that that that fiction and came up with that name and and so you know, in his case, I would actually be really curious to find out what his real last name is or if it's just a coincidence and that happens to be a last name in some language. Yeah, and it's kind of ridiculous.
For this is what gets me about Wilcock, Like he makes claims like, oh, Christopher Bescar designed spaceships for the Star Wars prequels, Well, anybody can go on IMDb and see all the credits he would be credited if he designed things. He didn't design anything. Yeah, And I even called I even called Christopher Bescar on air here to ask him about that, and he doubled down. He said, yes I did, and yes they did name that armor after.
Me, and this is really Yeah, he doubled. Down on the lie. And then this ed guy is on his wet is on his YouTube channel telling people that story is if it's. True, Well, sure, hope they don't get Disney after their asses.
I can see that ending badly. Yeah, it's so ridiculous to make claims like that. But Bestcar also claims that he built thousands of spaceships for the secret space program. What do you think of those claims?
To me? To me Ryan, if he can't build a single airplane in thirty years, he's not building two thousand spaceships for a secret space program. He didn't work. And will Cock is essentially committing consumer fraud because he's telling people, by my course, we have this insider that turns out to be Bestcar.
He gave him a different name at first, so by my course, for three hundred and thirty three dollars, because we have this government insider that worked on top secret projects and all spaceships all Man money, and that's not true, then that's consumer fraud to me, Ludacris says, this is an awesome conversation. Really enjoying this. Your guest is awesome. This is why your show is freaking awesome.
Well, thank you, Lord Ludacris, and thanks for the support. So what about the spaceship claims and the claims of working on secret projects and area fifty one, and do you think that's all just nonsense? Like the best guar armor. I think this guy is the team version of what's the guy's name, the head of Anderil Industries, Lucky Palmer.
He's the Timu Lucky Palmer. All he ships is nothing burgers. And I'm happy, even though I know that it's not really actually worth my time because I know for a that both of these guys are total charlatan's. I would still debate both of them in public if they're willing to accept my invitation.
Yeah, but I think that they cannot. They can't withstand any debate because they've lied so much and they've just made up so much bullshit that somebody with a real science background like you, especially in these high tech fields like particle accelerators. You know, you'll kind of rip them the shreds, you know. Yeah.
So, so just to backtrack a little bit and give a little bit more context, this scientist that I mentioned earlier, Ken Shoulders, is very well regarded. He did some extremely interesting work and. There is. Some very interesting proof of that up to and including something I say you you earlier, which you can feel free to share if you like, which was a letter from Richard Feynman to Ken's Shoulders talking about charge cluster phenomena.
So that that really sets the real basis for uh a desire on my part at least two to UH forward to carry that research forward, because it gets into the fundamental nature of electron solitons. Essentially, anyone who's familiar with the art should have an understanding of that. So suffice to say, it was a tawdry, to say the least, of this guy to try to wrote me into his his his plans, and I don't know whether he's actually directly connected with them or he's just a sycophant. I know that he's he's interviewed Chris Bescar before on his fugit.
Yeah, but at the end of the day. These people are bullshitters. And and since this guy had the gall to try to rope me into it, which which is something that I would certainly not appreciate having on on my resume if it even materialized, which I doubt it would, they can kick rocks. Ursula Bilski's World of the Supernatural.
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So you you just kind of know, because of your background in manufacturing and all of these things, that this company is like a total facade. Do you think they're ever going to produce anything? And what do you think of David Wilcox's latest claim. I don't know if you know this, but he claims that somebody invests eight hundred something billion dollars and that they're going to here's here's what I found funny will.
Come say actually like a million dollars in debt and probably well they also have a lawsuit going on for they. Being sued for Yeah, they're being sued for six million dollars by an investor who gave them one million and was supposed to get back six to invest of my recollection. And also they're being sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of unpaid bills from different companies like an electrician, a sprinkler company. Even their accountants sued them and got a judgment against them for like thirty thousand dollar.
So yeah, they're heavily, heavily in debt. But one of the things that I found interesting is like, I don't know much about manufacturing, but you know, I can google. So Wilcox says, oh, we got eight hundred and twenty billion dollar investment or whatever, almost the trillion dollars, And he claims that's for an order for fifteen hundred commercial airliners. But if you google how how many seven forty sevens were made, there's only been fifteen hundred, seven forty sevens made, and it took them like forty years to make fifteen hundred.
So Wilcox claims just on the on the face of them are totally ridiculous. But what do you think of him claiming that they got eight hundred billion dollars in investment and they're going to make fifteen hundred airplanes. Dellusions of grandeur, man, Yeah, absolute and totally abject, fucking delusions of grandeur. This is Oh, I'm not crazy when I say they're not producing fifteen hundred commercial airliners in a short period of time.
You know, the only thing they produce is nothing burgers. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of been She'll be a rendering from this century. Yeah, yeah, because they're kind of using nineteen eighty nine graphics software to make their stuff.
And then they made a video that looked like it was made in then in the early nineties of a plane flying. And so, by the way, I wanted to mention that while I'm not in aerodynamics engineer per se, I do play the game as a hobby, so to speak. With regards to rocketry. Oh that's cool.
I build rockety too. Yeah. The thing that I made that's a small one, and this is the nose cone for a large one that I happen to be building. Oh well, you've got more working space technology than David Wilcock already.
Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually going to launch a two stage high power rocket on k motors to round about twenty thousand feet with a dielectric barrier discharge system on it to test out whether it can work for rockets, which, as far as I know, is a unique idea, at least in the public eye. So I love rocket candy and model rockets.
Like I'm teaching my eight year old nine year old now I'm teaching my nine year old and he's totally fascinated. He's like, you can run a rocket on sugar and stump remover. Yeah, we made engines and it's fun stuff. But so tell us more about like, how did this situation with this end?
You were just like Wilcox, a crank and I guess I don't want to be involved because I don't believe a word he says. And what was Ed's reaction to this situation? Well, I got lad with Ed to the point where he hung up. And that.
Oh bye bye research grant from David Wall. And I told him exactly where he could stick his proposal. But doesn't it does it? Kind of?
Does it inform us then that David Wilcop doesn't have any working technology that he's been bragging about for this long because if he had working technology, why do you need a research lab to develop the same kind of technology. Right, Yeah, it's not going to be coming any time now. If you don't even have an actual research and development lab set up or any infrastructure or apparatus. Show me a C and C milling machine that's in that space, show me a lathe that's in that space, show me a fucking three printer that's in that space.
They're liars, and I will gladly tear them apart face to face if ever I come across them at any conferences that they happen to have the goal to show up to. Yeah, they were just at the Air Dominance thing, paid to give a speech at that Air Dominant summit. Yeah, and that's where David Wilcock claimed somebody found them and invested a trillion dollars. The thing that bothers me with Wilcock is like, there war chickens, Man, war chickens.
It's not even war hawks. He's so delusional because like, if let's say, let's just let's just play this out for the sake of argument. Let's say that they found somebody with huge pockets billions of dollars and he was willing to invest, wouldn't that investor checkle on the company and then find out that they were being sued by a previous investor who called them a Ponzi scheme and an investment scam, and then therefore not risk their own money, you know what I mean, especially if you're going to invest a billion, you know, let alone eight hundred billion. It's just so ridiculous.
It's like, you know, will that kind of reminds me. Have you ever been at a bar and some guy is there and he's getting drunker and drunker telling war stories and the stories keep getting bigger and bigger. He's a pathological liar, I for sure think that. Yeah, And it what it comes down to for me at the end of the day is that both these people are pathological liars.
They have nothing to back up their claims. They're out there, they've already you know, builked over a million dollars from investors in Stavati, and then this bastard Wilcock has been you know, grifting gulobal boomers for twenty years now. Also, So yeah, I couldn't. Even make that a decently believable number, says Indigo Horizi.
Yeah, like if he had said somebody invested ten million, Okay, Oh no, somebody invested eight hundred billion dollars. You know, he must have smoked some good, good shit before that. Before you pop that one out. John Lai says all these videos will probably be subpoenaed by the criminal case against Wilcock one day.
Yeah, I mean, I believe that what he does is consumer fraud. If you're lying to the public and saying, oh, you could buy my course and we're going to talk to this government insider that worked on top secret projects, and it turns out that's all fake, then you're scamming people. That's consumer fraud. Yep.
You're lying to them about this guy's credentials. And you know, I don't know that much about people who work on secret projects. I once had to get cleared to work at a robotics lab at Drexel. But if you did work on any kind of secret projects, I would think that you can't talk about what you worked on, but you could prove through your resume.
You could let people verify with your superior that you worked on this top secret project at this top secret base something. Right. Yeah, he hasn't proven any of this shit, it's just work. There would be at least some some paper trail that would show up somewhere to interested people.
But the part of the point is that you know, nobody should even have to investigate this, like where's your LinkedIn, bro? Like where have you worked? He's worked at his own these people for thirty years that hasn't produced a single airplane. That's basically what his resume is.
It's crazy, and uh, you know it makes me wonder, like what how do you live for thirty years working for your own company that's never made a profit. There's only one way to do that, and that is to build the investors out of the money, right I think allegedly, I don't know yep. And you mentioned that you have actually shipped products, so you know what it takes to manifact things, right, Like you you understand the manufacturing process, and we know that Wilcox Stevati hangar is just an empty hangar. So from a manufacturing perspective, let's try to game this out.
If they really were going to produce fifteen hundred planes, what would they need in that facility to produce fifteen hundred planes? How much money would it cost for the tooling and the machining and the carts, Like what what are we talking about here, just so we can know that this is all bullshit. For fifteen hundred planes, Yeah, with titanium diboride skins that are cut with as as Chris Bescar claimed, EDM. Okay, so let's let's start there, just to break off a little chunk of it um.
Yes, titanium diboride can be machined by EDM, and yes it can be coated onto other surfaces. But as far as I can tell, there is no way in hell you're gonna make all of the arrow skins for an aircraft out of plates of titanium bebylide. Uh yeah, even even. It would be prohibitively expensive.
It would be so absurdly expensive, and you would need a multitude of those machines in order to be able to cut all of those those plates in a reasonable amount of time. It just there's so many ways that it falls apart. But also that place is definitely not going to be large enough, and there there would be a big question early on if this was at all actually serious about uh you know, what what the manufacturing investments are going to be? What, what if anything is going to be farmed out to other companies?
And you know what is going to be taken care of on site. A lot of times with companies that don't have the capabilities to buy large capital manufacturing equipment, they opt for farming it out and then they essentially right and then they buy the parts and they integrate an assembol at their site. So but with eight hundred billion, you know, that's a hell of a lot of manufacturing infrastructure if you're going in that direction, which it would make sense for them to do if they were actually a serious company making planes, because it would it would give them, you know, they would own the machines that have the capability to make all the stuff. But that's a large, large chain of supply.
So I would think you're talking about billions in manufacturing equipment to make that many airplanes. Yeah, yeah, and somebody any billions. Somebody in the in the live chat mentioned the labor force too. You would need three hundred five hundred people, and that's if you want it done in a decade, right, Like, it's kind of crazy.
One other question that I had for you from an engineering perspective. I don't know if you're familiar with this, but Wilcock has said that this sm thirty nine or whatever. This thing that looks like a buck Roger spaceship, their air dominance fighter would do mock four and be able to fly in space. You know, the reason that the Blackbird could only go as fast as it could I think mock three point five maybe was because of the heat.
Even with titanium, they could only go mock three point five or the would melt the fucking plane. So how is Wilcock getting over the heat problems and getting a plane to mock four or you're an engineer, I. Don't think Willcock knows a goddamn thing. But when it comes to what Chris Bescar has said, you know that that that these planes are going to be are going to have titanium diboride skins.
Now, titanium diboride is a refractory material with a very high melting point, so it could conceivably be used for that, but it's it's such a hard material to cut and even with with wire e d M or sink or dm uh just the amount of surface area just makes it prohibitive at any thickness unless you're coating it on stuff which could be feasible to to coat, like magnallium or or thin stainless alloy or something with a layer of titanium diporide. But that's not going to give you the deep temperatures resistance it would get from a from the bulk material. So I see where best Guar is going with that. But there's no way in hell he has the ability to do it.
So basically, it's just a wishful thinking delusion, like most of the Stavati claim, unless. They actually have eight hundred billion and they have some of the largest wire and syncer edim machines on the planet. Was no fucking way. And let's get to the I know you have a background and a big interest in exotic technology, and you know like free energy devices.
Wilcock has claimed that his hovercar will use a free energy engine. So this is where it gets to the point of ridiculous. It's like, not only is he going to need working anti gravity technology to make this to make his claims a reality and not just bullshit, he's going to need a working free energy machine to power it. What do you think of those claims?
Because I know that you have extensive knowledge about a lot of let's just say free energy shady free energy devices that don't really work. Do you think Wilcox saw you know, do you think he's saw like those YouTube videos where it's a hoax and he really thinks that that shit is real? Or like, what's going on there? And what's what's the fees of ability of really creating an anti gravity machine and a free energy device working in tandem, because those would be basically two magic science fiction devices that aren't real that you make real to make his claims real, right, Like, it's so ridiculous to me.
Well, I think many people have tried, many people have failed. I'm one of those people. I'm one of those people. But also few of those people had the resources that would really be needed in order to even try.
I think there is there there is a question to be had with regards to open uh open questions out there. There There are several and one of them for me, uh to to backtrack to what I mentioned earlier, is electron charge clusters. UH that that is a very interesting field of as far as I can tell, very real research that shows anomalous effects that as far as I know, are publicly not not well understood, barely even known about. And one of the things that I've been saying is that that body of research deserves to be carried forward because of the strong foundations that it's based on.
So along with all the Charlatans and free energy and the hoaxers and the scammers, you do think there might be something to some of that research, because for me, my study of it was it's very tantalizing, like you think you're going to be able to crack the code. And I spent a long time, we talked before the show, of building crystal power cells and Badini motors and all kinds of stuff, but I didn't get the results that I wanted. But that was always like so tantalizing, like maybe if I try again, I'll get better results, or you know a little more reality of being generated out of this device more than is being put in. And you know, do you think there is something to some of the research like Ken Shoulders and some of the more reputable guys.
Well, specifically with regards to Ken Shoulders, there's the the letter that I mentioned that Richard Feineman wrote to Ken Shoulders, and so that that is really unequivocal for me, Uh that that that is, you know, it's it's very interesting because it shows a direction forward UH with regards to specifically what is colloquially called ball lightning toward UH, a means of reliably and repeatedly producing UH the the let's just call the ball lightning effect. Now, in Ken Shoulders case, it occurred on a on a very small scale, but there is some conjecture that that the effects that he found can be generalized in order to explain some of the things that eyewitnesses have seen with natural ball lightning UH. And and chief among those things is that there there have been cases where ball lightning will apparently pass through solid objects, fly straight through a door or a wall, or into or out of the mountain. That's interesting.
Yeah, And here this letter, Richard Feidman is apologizing to Ken's Shoulders. Yeah. So, so the story behind this is that Ken Shoulders approached Richard Fiman at some point in person and described his work on charge clusters to him, and at the time Fiman sort of rejected him outright. And my thinking is that he must have thought that what's known as the Koolam repulsion or the space charge limit would come into play and it would prevent you from being able to pack a whole bunch of electrons into such a small space.
Because they're all negatively charged, they're going to want to fly apart. But moving electrons create magnetic diepoles, and magnetic diepoles can line up. In fact, they like to line up. So what Ken.
Shoulders appears to have found is what I mentioned earlier, which is essentially that these electron clusters exist in a soliton state. And what I mean by that is we we we have common examples from uh the air vortex rings that dolphins blow in water, or uh, there's there's a thing called the follicle soloton where you you you sweep a plate across the surface of a pool and it creates two counter rotating vortices that travel all the way down to the bottom of the pool, create these two counter rotating dark spots and then can travel all the way across the pool. Okay, So so these are example and also probably the most common example is smoke rings. So so smoke rings and water vortex rings and follicle solotons, those are all examples of of three dimensional free space solotons.
And so the question is is ball eightning a a three dimensional free space electron soliton and I think there's quite a bit of of evidence to support that. And so my my real interest and and my thrust there is is to actually, ah, you know, further that research. So just recently, I I actually did a presentation a week ago with I just got to think of their name. I think it's Dow Labs anyway, Uh, it's the Martin Fleischman Memorial Project, Bob Greenier in his group.
I I did a presentation to them about a series of design studies that I've done recently on charge cluster emitters, means of making charge cluster emitters that could emit reliably and repeatably emit charge cluster beams. In order for us to be able to really make the connection between the micro and the macro, it has to be observed and repeatable and repeatable, and as a result, it needs to be built to particle accelerator standards. Well you know something about that, huhuh Yeah. Having worked on particle accelerators, I'm always nervous about particle accelerators.
This isn't there, like, isn't there some infinitesimal chance that a particle accelerator could create a black hole and kill. Us all there is a zero chance of that occurring. Really, I'd heard that that the Large Hadron Collider could possibly do that. I think I think that that comes from a bit of science reporting hyperbole, that that occurs.
Quick goddam clickbait. Yeah, I fell for the clickbait. I thought, yeah, clickbait totally. Why would they even if there's an infinitesimal percent chance that that could happen, why would they fire up a machine like.
That, right, because there's a zero percent chance. Because that's just actually understand how energy scales. It's just absurd. They have to put so much energy into those superconnecting magnets and the cooling systems and the the bend magnets, which, by the way, are being made right now for so so the new dipoles and quadrupoles for the high luminosity upgrade of the LHC are being made right now at Berkeley Lab.
And I got to see some of them. Oh, you were working there at Berkeley, right, Yeah, And that's interesting. And the guy who manages that section, I got to talk to him about it too, and he described some of the details of it. There's no way in hell this is the result of people who don't understand some of the basics of energy and energy physics.
Yeah right. I I'm definitely no expert when it comes to all of this stuff. So I just remember reading that multiple sources saying that, like, it's very risky what they're doing because they could create a black hole that would suck the Earth into it. And know these these people are fearmongers.
Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm all for science as long as it's like done safely, you know, And they did basically, the LHC accomplished one huge goal that they had for years, right with the God particle or whatever. So the Higgs boson, the discovery Higgs boson. Yeah, that's amazing to me.
But hopefully they'll continue research. I wasn't aware that they're So they're upgrading the LHC to do what Just so I understand. They're upgrading it so that the beam will have an even higher luminosity than it currently does. So you could think of it as the beam brightness.
It's essentially the beam brightness. Okay, So it's like upgrading the laser or whatever, upgrading a laser or whatever more power. Yeah, they're they're upgrading the ionometers and the confinement and ben magnets, and uh, the the collision and detector area where that that detector is also most of the components of that detector are also being made at Berkeley Lab. By the way, get them the shout out.
So, yeah, I got to see a bunch of that stuff. And uh, this this is a common thing with with accelerators where uh they'll do a series of of of experimental runs, sometimes you know, lasting years. And in the case of the one that I worked on, which is uh, the the a l S, the Advanced Light Source Synchrotron at Berkeley Lab. It's in the big round pink building.
It's it has a six about a six hundred foot diameter beam center, and uh they're currently in the the upgrade process for ALSU, which is the Advanced Light Source Upgrade and essentially that's going to upgrade improve the the reduce the size of the beam and improve the beam power from the current round about three g ev to about four g ev. That's giga electron vaults. That's a lot of well, that's a lot of voltage. Yeah, So.
It's it's kind of interesting because the what they call the beam power, it's it's it's it's it's gigavaults essentially, but at millionams. Okay, so you have to use you know, several megawatts of power to run all the stuff that can can produce and maintain that beam. Well, that's pretty interesting. And you have worked on or or you mentioned to me some of your study of of like this free energy technology and stuff like that.
Why don't you tell us a little bit about your interest in that kind of stuff and what you've done with that, because you know, you have a real background in science and engineering, so I'd be interested to hear about the free energy stuff that you think is plausible and stuff that maybe you researched or worked on that you think has showed some promise, because you know that world is filled with just as many scammers as UFOs is, right, there's just so many scammers in that attracts them. It's really unfortunate because there are some of us who are open minded enough to believe, I suppose that there could be some corners of science and engineering that haven't been fully explored yet, and we have to contend with these typically loud mouthed people who are just you know, grifters, or they could be well meaning, but parroting things that they've heard, and for me, when it comes down to is is building things. I'm real big on proof of concept, you know. One of the things one of the things that I experienced I worked at the Drexel Robotics Lab and at that point I built a bunch of robots and got friendly with one of the professors there who liked some of my work.
But one of the things I found in academia especially is like that everybody is a theorist and nobody built, you know. I'm like, builds it ben you know, except one of. The well, of course, because it can be expensive to properly build things. Yeah.
One of the professors, though, was very critical of some of my work, and I was kind of like, it works. It's inexpensive, and it's easily reproducible and manufacturable, So I don't see the issue, mister theory, Like go get go, go down to the shop and show me a better version of what I built. You know, they could too many theorists and h I'm real big on proof of concept, Like, don't tell me what you think you can build, show me you know something working, right, isn't there like a shortage though of people that can shell working devices, they're always like it almost works in my experience, you know, there's some missing component or you know what I mean? Like, am I wrong in that kind of interpretation of some of these free energy things?
What do you think about about them? Well? I think that in general, there's something to be said for trying to design for higher efficiency in all sorts of different ways. And what I've seen with with regards to let's say, some some of the magnet magnet motors out there, Uh, there there are some some interesting improvements I would say that I've seen over standard motors.
And so just as a motor or just as a generator, there are examples of novel things out. There that. That that can or do have the capability to to have working prototypes built and to be commercialized. And it just so happens that I'm actually I'm employed doing that right now.
We are what I can say about it because we do have an NDA, but I'm I'm designing an axial flex motor. And this motor carries forward the ideas of a Canadian inventor by the name of Bill Mueller. He built some very interesting permanent magnet pulse motors that I've seen the original of although it's it's in something of a state of disrepair. It only had one set of coils mounted.
But his his daughter Carmen, invited me to come up to her house and uh several other people and we sort of had a meeting of minds. This was back in December and since then we we have a mutual friend who's a machinist who actually wants to build motors, and uh so we we are in the process of building a thing. But here's here's one thing that I also want to say. I'm not selling you people anything.
I don't have a YouTube well I do have a YouTube channel, but I have like five subscribers. Whatever. I'm not out there trying to sell a story to people. Yeah, you're not drifting.
We could tell that. You know, you're not selling a book, you're not selling courses, you're not selling prototypes anything. It might look like a bit of a clap trap, but this is my prototype that I just designing cat and built myself of one of Bill Moeller's well using using some of the ideas that that that Bill Muller was one of the people to pioneer along with John Bedini. I should also mention, right, I built this whole thing myself, all the way down to the cores and the coils, and it does run as a motor currently on two inputs, and I ran into a little snag where it likes to explode the input mosfats.
It needs some other things it needs it needs an output connection and a load. But what are the advantage of I have a proof of concept that it does work, and it does work well as a motor, and that's enough. You know, we there there's so many people out there who who want because an idea of free energy, but really even separately as as a motor or as a generator. Uh what what John Bedini and Bill Maher and other people like them, Ray Cromery and several others did.
At least efficiency right of a electric motor. So this is a super efficient electric motor. All all of those things do represent, in the case of their inventors, intellectual property. Although as far as I know, well, I don't know about John.
I think he's still around, but maybe not. Unfortunately I don't know, But. No, I think you're still around. Yeah, But so there's there's this whole thing about applications, right, you you you come up with some novel thing, and there could be a number of applications that that it can be geared toward.
But all of that requires so much effort. You know, I have multiple three D printers, I have a bunch of my own stuff. I make stuff all the time, and and still, you know, it's it's not easy for for someone like me who's a design engineer who's been doing it for twenty years professionally. So there is something to be said for, you know, garage inventors who might stumble across something and what those somethings could be.
I can't really say that. I'm I'm at liberty to say, not because of any deep state bullshit or anything like that, but simply because I think the the juries as it were, is still out. And you know, John Betdini did pass away in twenty sixteen. I wasn't even aware, so you're correct, that's a shame piece.
He was a very interesting guy, very interesting guy. You know, I love those renegade sort of science guys. Tales of the Sonic Void says fantastic and informative conversation here. Thanks Stephen and Ryan, Well, thank you for your kindness.
Generosity and support much appreciated tales of the sonic voyage. So what are the what's the advantage of a pulsed electric motor versus just one that doesn't isn't pulsed, it's just straight current? Is energy efficient or what's the advantage? Well, yes, I would say there's there are are definitely prospects for or improving the energy efficiency of a pulsetmotor versus a standard motor, all other aspects of the design being the same.
Let's say if you had two of the same kind of structure, but one runs in a pulset mode and one one is let's say AC or multi phase, there's definitely something to be said for in the pult motors. Since you're pushing the rotor instead of dragging the rotor around, you have bucking fields. And when you have bucking fields, you can get to field strengths that are higher then you can get to with solely attracting fields, and so you have an opportunity there, and there are multitude ways to go about seizing that opportunity. Okay, well, that's interesting, and that's one of the things that you're working on is approving the efficiency of electric motors.
Right, yes, but it is more difficult than the standard motors because the controls become rather complex when it comes to pulse systems versus. Yeah, so what do you use a micro controller to control the pulses of power? Something like that. Essentially?
Yeah, Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I'm fascinated with electric motors and I like electric everything. Like I don't like gas chainsaws. I don't like my gas powered car because I don't know how to work on a gasoline engine.
So like if I buy a gas chainsaw or a gas lawnmower and it dies, well I just got to buy a new one. It's fucked. But anything electric I've ever had, I could take it apart and replace the motor. Gas engines are such a clap trap.
Yeah, it's just see just from looking at them that it's like it's the result of years and years and years of of of things being glombed on to other things without a real you know, overall plan for for for for improvement. It's just incremental improvements year to year. And that's it. Yeah, I miss, I should correct myself.
Carbureted cars I could fix and work on, but there are none anymore unless you want to buy a car from nineteen eighty two, you know's fuel injection and computer controlled and it's a mess. Now I can't but I don't like. I don't like gasoline powered anything because I generally can't work on some of the stuff or get it running again. And electric I don't know, Like you know, I bought an electric lawnmower like twenty years ago.
It still works, it's fine, do you know what I mean? And it's required almost zero maintenance. Sharpened the blade on it once in a while because I hit a rock. But I just much prefer electric everything because maybe because I'm electronics guy, so I know I could probably fix it if I had to.
You know, there's been a few things that died on me, like a weed whacker. I replaced a motor in or whatever you know, blew it out somehow, But gas engines seem to be I don't know, it just seemed so archaic to me, like I would think that electric motors are more efficient and lower maintenance. And right, well, there there are some very interesting shining examples out there, and I can name three of them. Koenig Zig, the Germans supercar manufacturer BMW just recently and a company called Donut Lab.
All three of those companies now have PAD for multi phase axial flux motors, and in the case of konig Zag, they're they're so called they called it the dark Matter motor. It weighs eighty six pounds and it can take a maximum of six hundred kilowatts, which is eight hundred horse power. That's crazy. Eighty six pounds, eight hundred horse power.
It's absolutely incredible. So look at up thirty two. If you put one on each wheel of a car, right, hundred horse powers Jesus Christ. And one of those could fit on a motor, a motorcycle that would be completely and totally overpowered to the point where like you know, your your your next design difficulty is actually finding a power source that's dense enough to run the thing.
Oh yeah, I could imagine. They probably suck a lot of power. Just for an example, So you said this one electric motor has eight h or horse power, Right, the twenty twenty five Chevy Corvette z R one has one thy sixty four horse power. So that's pretty interesting.
It's almost got the horsepower of a brand new Corvette and one electric motor. Well, I think you could rightly call this class of electric motors actually electric engines. Oh okay, yeah, that is they. They work more like engines, for sure, And I think really that that's that's a big part of the future with regards to electric vehicles, regardless of their power source.
But you know, there's always that question of how do you how do you get enough power on board to power motors that powerful. We're already at that point with the motors. You need a generator or maybe solid state batteries or a some kind of. Better than lithium ion battery, right it wo needs something better.
Than that, right, Yeah. But one of the I think one of the big power I think one of the really central questions with regards to this idea of free energy is systems that interact with their environments. In Now, I'm I'm not a physicist, so I can't speak for all physicists, but from my understanding, in order to be able to do engineering and in order to have you know, test cases that you can calculate for, you need to simplify the problem. In some sense.
There's this question of whether a system interacts with its environment. Now, typically if we're just looking at a particle traveling through space or something. We essentially say that it doesn't interact with its environment, and by environment, I don't mean atmosphere, I mean just the space around it. And I think there are open questions there, and it's it's important to recognize that that there is the possibility that Maxwell's demon could be could be tricked into going in one direction instead of all directions.
And I'm not going to pooh pooh that that possibility outright just because I haven't seen it an example of it yet. I think a lot of people have tried, and maybe a lot of people, maybe some people have gotten close, maybe some people have actually achieved that. There's also a discussion that anyone serious would need to have with regards to our forebears and the people whose shoulders we stand on, some of whom claimed that that they came up against suppression, and some of whom died, and some of those died under suspicious circumstances. So there is there's there's an awful lot of conspiracies about people who died under suspicious circumstances that were developing some of these what I would call fringe technologies like free energy or you know, right, it seems like an awful lot of water powered car.
Guy with poisoned and you know, and I think Stanley Meyer, Stanley Meyer. Yeah. And then there was allegedly poisoned or something. He thought he was poisoned.
Yeah, and he suddenly died. And then Eugene Mallow, who for for many years was the the publisher and editor of Infinite Energy magazine, the the the only popular magazine that that that covers the subject of low energy nuclear reactions and ColdFusion, now there again. Also I want to say that, uh, you know, I I don't lean one way or the other. I'm open to the possibility, but it really has to get to the point where something is rigorous and repeatable and that demonstrations occur in public.
That's all that is required of anyone who actually breaks that bear. It would no longer suffice to say, well it, you know it. It breaks the laws of of of thermodynamics. If you have something that's interacting with its environment and able to train ambient energy from its environment, then yes, you can have something that appears to put out more than it takes to keep it running.
Yeah. Well, that's kind of be an issue with many things. And what do you think about some of the I don't, I know, you don't really, you're not really up to speed, I suppose on all the alien UFO stuff. But a lot of these people have been making claims of having like exotic materials that you know, we hear about bismuth and magnesium and anti gravity, and what do you think of some of the anti gravity claims related to UFOs or not there is there a real path to real anti gravity or is this just wishful thinking science fiction and hoaxers and you know, bullshitters.
So if you look at the the general relativistic equation for gravity and you look at Maxwell's equation for the magnetic field, you can see that they are very very similar parallels for sure. Yeah, you could say almost identical. It's just a couple of terms that are are different. And so naturally the question arises, well, is there some kind of connection there that we haven't really fully sussed out yet?
And since I'm I'm not a physicist, I I can't say that I have enough specific knowledge to be able to say one way or another. But I think that most of of the the on the books, physicists would pooh the idea because you know, there's this whole concept that that you can't cheat Maxwell's demon but what if you can? And so that's I think that's that's really what the question boils down to for for everybody who has wondered about these things. Yeah, I mean I just kind of wondered what your take on that kind of stuff was.
So, yeah, you you are doing these Oh I'm sorry, go ahead. So so they're really the I suppose the theoretical question for me is can can it be established that there is a direct connection between gravity and electromagnetism as many people have posited. If that is true and it can be proven with experiment, it would absolutely be revolutionary and I think it deserves the effort for sure, because what that extends to is is really, you know, a question that's connected with the Drake equation, but in reverse, it's a question of whether we can ever get out there. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're I guess you're right.
So back to Stevandi, I think you've been kind of following along. Do you think they're ever going to produce anything? Or do you think that this is just an investment scam like many have alleged, And I think it's. I think it's an investment scam, and both of those guys are gonna end up in jail for what they've done.
Yeah. I mean, if they're lying to people, especially collecting money, claiming bestcar was building spaceships, you know, I just I just some people. It makes me wonder, like, do you know that they haven't produced an airplane in thirty years, But you're gonna believe that this guy built two thousand spaceships for some secret space program. And oh, by the way, those shitty renderings, even if they did build those planes, they still wouldn't fly if they had real anti gravity systems in.
Them, you think. So, yeah, it looks like they're just like it looks like a lot of the designs of his just like purposely designed to make it look cool, not to make it fly, right, you know what I mean. It's like extra wings and weird configurations. I mean, there's there's a reason there were only like two or three experimental forward swept wing aircraft ever in the US.
They're very unstable, right, Yeah, Yeah, I would think it's interesting that H. Wilcock every week is telling people of all these wonderful things that this company is gonna do. Someday, and and again with the the lies of his just seem to be out of control. Like when he first started saying his company was getting investors, it was like five million, ten million.
You know. Now he's up to eight hundred and something billion dollars and the contract is signed though, Ryan Hopkins, they're just waiting for the money. God damn, i'd I'd like to come across an angel investor who gives me even a million bucks, and you know what they're gonna get. They're gonna get a product that ships within like a year.
Like, oh, that's pretty interesting. And you know, we talked about this. I mean, what it comes down to really is design engineering and the science behind it. And there are so many holes in these guys stories that you know, you could fly some of those shitty planes through those big holes.
Yeah, we were talking about this process of converting plastic into usable fuel. What did you call that term for that, pyrolysis? Pyrolysis? Can you give me because I'm just personally curious.
I have no idea how that works. Can you give me a brief? Sure, try to explain it to this monkey brain of mine, Like, how do you take plastic I'm assuming it involved some process of heating it or something. But how do you take plastic like let's say I had shredded up plastic bottles from sodas soda bottles.
How do you take that through this process and turn it into some form of usable diesel? How do you turn it back into its you know, source material. By heating it in an anoxic environment. So you have a chain, you fill it with your shredded trash plastic, you backfill it with an innert gas and then not oxygen.
It can't be oxygen, right right, And then you you have a series of electrodes inside that that vessel where you strike an arc and the well actually there. So that's plasma pyrolysis, but you can do it just with heat also, and essentially it's it's heat reduction. You're you're heating it to the point where it would combust if there were oxygen, but since there's not oxygen, it decomposes. Okay, that makes sense to me, And so you essentially you get like a hydrocarbon feed stock, the equivalent of a hydrocarbon feed stock out of it.
That's both there's a gaseous fraction and there's a liquid fraction as well, and the gases fraction can go straight into gas refinery and the liquid fraction can go straight into a liquid refinery. So you know, the big question for me with regards to mister Julian nature Jab is uh, you know, I I love what he's doing. I think that he's showing that there's a huge hole there that can be filled that can actually make the plastic recycling industry profitable, especially if you co locate it right next to a refinery. Yeah, well, you would think four bucks a gallon for diesel, like, that's got to be profitable, especially when your input source.
You know, what would be the cost involve Your input source is going to be trash, So the cost involve would be the power and I guess they inert gases the machinery, but most guys amazing. Because that's just process heat that's already there at the refineries. So you can use the process heat that they already have to do the pyrolysis process. It's it would be an absolute game game changer where you're taking the landfill and you're you know.
You're yeah, imagine taking an average landfill. This is what I was thinking about. There used to be a landfill in New Jersey on the way to my parents' house, and like I would pass that landfill. It was huge, It was like miles long.
And I remember passing that landfill and thinking, what if you could take all of the plastics, every single plastic out of that landfill. Because first of all, they don't it doesn't break down. They just cover it over with bulldozers and hope for the best. But if you could take all the plastics out of every landfill, that's got to be a huge amount of energy you could produce with that.
It is, And if you can also set up infrastructure to prevent more and more plastics from reaching the landfill, just have him go straight into the paralysis process, that's even better. It could be one in every city or something. Yeah, like actually make the plastic recycling industry profitable instead of subsidized by the government, which always has been. Yeah.
And it's also recycling is a lie, don't you think, Like they don't recycle most of the materials they collected, They ship them off to Indonesia or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, And that's that's the thing too, is it's there's a big grift in the recycling industry where there's no uh verifiable uh uh chain of custody so to speak for the trash. So yeah, it can wind up wherever.
But there is a solution to that that needs to be industrialized, and as far as I'm concerned, Julian is leading the way, so he gets he gets all the big ups for that, I hope. Yeah. There was another there was another person and I can't recall his name, but he came up with the process for shredding plastic and then through some kind of chemical and heat process he would press it into something that's like plywood. That's another like, why not there's all these homeless people plastically.
It's a replacement for for decking and stuff like that. I've seen that stuff or sighting or whatever you can exciting out of it. Yeah, I just think that, like it makes me. It makes me sad when you know that, like every one of us we have microplastics in us because it's just so toxic and just all over every environment there's microplastics everywhere and dirt and you know, your lawn probably has microplastics in it, and food and you know whatever, you're going to have that stuff in you.
It's toxic, you know, I mean, it's plastics convenient, but there's a huge problem with how do you get rid of it when you're done with it. This this fuel process, to me, is fascinating. It should be like we could have a we could have one of those processing plants or multiple of them in every big city and you take all your plastic there and maybe they could have like a credit program, like they give you credits for the plastic if it's enough, so you could get some free gas or whatever. Yeah, it would work perfectly for energy credits because you know, it's it's it's like a one to one exchange kind of thing.
Yeah, more than bound up in all of these different plastics, and so so we know, you know, approximately the quantity of energy that is bound up in each of these types of plastics for a certain amount, and if that were all to be compiled into a commercial plant that does pyrolysis, it would absolutely be game changing. Limo has a good question. There have been attempts before, and actually there are some cities that have commercial pyrolysis machines, but it's still just hasn't gone past that first step yet. That makes sense, and Lineman mebe has a good question, wouldn't this still be a huge energy input to heat this process?
Also there's the issue of contaminants. I have an environmental science degree. I promise a lot of smart people. So when you think of the energy required to do this.
So with regards to the idea of co locating a pyrolysis plant on the same site as a refinery, refineries have plenty of process heat, that is, heat that is too low grade for them to use in the processes, but it's still high grade enough to be useful. Okay, So there are instances where you can get high enough grade process heat right on site there at the refinery where you could use that he where right now it's just being bled off. It's like nothing's occurring with it. It's just excess that's a part of the process.
And that could be utilized to make the plastic transform into fuel. Then right, yeah, Oh that's so. It seems to be a no brainer. You know, you wonder what sometimes all the government does with all of our tax dollars, Like that would be something I would support taxpayer money going to research Like it just seems like a no brainer.
Somebody should be doing it. I'm going to see if I could get this Julian guy on the show, because I think he's doing great work. It's fascinating what he's trying to do. Oh and that'd be awesome if you could get him on.
Yeah, I would love to talk to him because he seems like a brilliant guy and he's really so passionate about what he's doing. I love that. You know, when you find somebody it's just not only are they doing great work, but they're super passionate about what they're trying to do and change. He could change the world with that technology.
Yeah, yeah, you know he's he's gotten some shit for it, also because there are certain naysayers who are like, oh, well you're you're just a welder and you're not an engineer and blah blah blah. You know, he is an amazing autodid act just to be able to learn enough to assemble and operate a functional pyrolysis system, so those people can kick rocks. Okay, it's back to show me your device. That's better.
You know, there's always going to be critics. Well, I appreciate you taking the time to help shed some light on the Stevati scam. As I call it and uh, you know, we'll check in with you again and see if you've got some interesting research projects. Maybe you could come back and talk about the Some of the stuff that you're working on seems pretty interesting to me, So I love fringe science and all that kind of stuff.
Thank you for having me, Steve, I really appreciate it, and thanks thanks to everybody in the chat who who came and the viewers out there. I appreciate the chance to, uh to talk a little bit about the things i've I've worked on, and of course, you know, put another nail in the Stevadi. Yes, Well, it's good to hear from somebody with your background because then we know, you know, like they. I don't have a background like you.
So when I say this is a scam and here's why, it might not have hold as much weight, but somebody with your manufacturing background and your science and engineering background can really help us to pick apart and peel back those layers of deception that are being used to create this false, bullshit reality. Yeah, what David Wilcock and Stevadi sell is a tall tail and that's all they sell. That's the only product they've ever shipped. So fuck them.
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Thank you, mister Ryan Hopkins. Thank you sir. All right, you have a good night. All right, what a great conversation.
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What we learned tonight is that most likely David Wilcock and Christopher Bescar of Safanni Aerospace have no working technology. If they did, why are they starting research labs that David Wilcock wants the fun to find basically the technology they claim they already have. Remember, our guest tonight was working on things like any gravity and charge clusters and free energy devices. And you know, why would they need to start a research lab and then fund someone like our guests tonight to develop these technologies if they already knew how to do it and they already had it working.
It seems very clear to me that they have nothing that works. All they have is lies and fake stories about Christopher Bescar working on top secret projects and Area fifty one technologies that he was exposed to, you know, no offense, but I called bullshit. I absolutely call bullshit. And we do have the David Wilcock clips, but I'm going to save that for another time.
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Yes, this more. I can't wait. You know, I don't like to wish my time away, but I can't wait till the end of twenty twenty five because by then, even as dumb as Rocks followers were, no, they all got well no, they all got scammed. No ascension in twenty twenty five, none tales of the Sonic Voyage.
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So boy, I think we had a great guest tonight. I had a fun conversation. I like shows like this. It was very effortless, right.
I had a video of Alezondo apologizing for his USA UFO deception, but I deleted in twenty nineteen, which I kept it. Yeah, me too. I would have loved to see that. Richard Warner's little lady has to watch the less than live version.
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When David Wilcock was with Corey Good, my gut instinct told me everything was off with them both. Everything they talked about was way too far fetched. Yeah, and now we know for sure that they were just making all those stories up, and that's been verified by multiple people, including their former boss and producer of the television show they were on at Guya TV. Just one of those things.
So, my friends, we've done our dude diligence and it appears that we've caught David Wilcock lying again. And I love that we have sort of an industry manufacturing expert, a real engineer to confirm what I already knew. But you know, we like to be sure, and that is that David Wilcox's claims are complete and total horseshit. He's not creating space planes, he's not creating international I'm sorry, interstellar spaceships and rocket ships and missiles and super fast airplanes and hover cars and electric cars.
He's producing nothing but bullshit. And you know, at some point in time, David Wilcock is going to have to pay for his deception, and I believe that that time is coming. So hey, David Wilcock, TikTok, motherfucker. You're going to have to come up with a whole new scam after this latest angel ascension is coming soon.
Scam which by the way, Wilcock has ran twice before, comes crashing down at the end of this year. And no ascension, no mass arrests. Oh, he's saying that the ice arrests or the mass arrests he's been talking about bullshit. He's desperate for a win.
It's completely and totally ridiculous that this clown is allowed to just scam people openly on the Internet for years on end and he never seems to face any consequences, but I'm sure that those consequences are coming. It's called karma. You can't live your life scamming people for decades and not pay a karmack price. Just karma always works, friends, but sometimes it takes way too long.
So I've been trying to help karma accelerate the karmic wheel, you might say, so that Wilcock faces those consequences sooner rather than later. I've done this to the best of my ability, at great personal price, because Wilcock is telling everybody I'm a criminal, and I'm a Satan worshiper, and I'm a child predator, and I'm a thief that stole money out of his BA bank account, and I'm a terrorist as bad as the unibomber. And he's gonna assue me, and he's gonna have me arrest it, and I'm gonna get the death penalty. It's absolutely ridiculous.
David Wilcock, your grift is coming crashing down, and if you ask me, it can't happen to a more deserving person. So we have done our due diligence and that's all I got for your friends. But I will be back tomorrow night at seven pm Eastern Standard Time. Got a great show, big show plan for you.
It's morn night, seven pm Eastern Standard time. But for now, that's all I got for your friends who want to thank our amazing guest Ryan and all of you for joining us. I'll be back tomorrow night, seven pm Eastern. I hope you'll be here with me.
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